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    1. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      As long as they just auction off the stocks or do mirror voting seems like that would be fine? Agree we don't want active management by the IRS.

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    2. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      Actually having the IRS take 3% of the company on paper and just hold onto it and mirror vote solves your problem as everyone's votes are diluted equally!

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    3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      If you zoom out a bit, what this looks like is the federal government gradually taking ownership of the country's most successful businesses under the guise of a tax that doesn't actually raise revenue. At bare minimum, this looks very, VERY bad

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    4. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      Why bad? Only bad if they engage in active management. Otherwise it's just a sovereign wealth fund - the govt is accumulating wealth and when dividends are paid it can use that to fund expenditure, or borrow against its savings.

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    5. Misha Saul‏ @misha_saul 30 Jan 2019
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      Rob, when did Amazon last pay divs? In fact, with your proposal, Amazon would be gov majority, with no cash! Instead of Bezos / mgmt focusing on building the most consumer focused company in the world, they'd slowly be eaten by a crocodile

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    6. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      If equity were signed over to the govt and they held it and just did mirror voting, why would it affect their business decisions in any significant way? They don't have to pay out but whether the gain comes in capital gains while the govt holds, or dividends, doesn't matter.

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    7. Misha Saul‏ @misha_saul 30 Jan 2019
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      I guess in effect this would be the same as a CGT tax, but a CGT tax *caps* the tax on company building - ie. at tax rate of [~22.5%] (im Aus) which would be ~7 years of company building under a 3% annual tax. Not obscene that after 30 years of building your co, gov owns 90%?

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    8. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      Interesting alternative is that the government automatically co-invests in all businesses started in the country. Shares the upside and the downside! Can't remember the reasons we don't do this.

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    9. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Because Americans prefer consensual agreements re: property?

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    10. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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      Tax is theft as well but we accept that for practical reasons! This is no more coercive as far as I can see. You get their investment too. It's actually not so bad a deal as an entrepreneur.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Yeah okay “tax is theft” is not actually an argument for arbitrary seizures by gov

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        2. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 30 Jan 2019
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          It's no more an arbitrary seizure than other taxes. This is the tax where when someone invests in a business, the govt fronts 20% of the money and gets 20% of the equity. It's effectively a tax on efforts finding businesses to invest in. Tax on the capital itself is none.

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        3. Misha Saul‏ @misha_saul 30 Jan 2019
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          If we are "how much" agnostic, I'd say more ways to tax is a good thing in that theoretically gov can collect more efficiently But I suspect the outcome is more "gov will grab more where it can". Will be more AND not OR, esp in US. Should experiment in smaller polities first

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