ii) I can think of lots of founders who are still running the show while owning well under 50% of the company - Bezos, the google guys, Zuckerberg, Tesla/SpaceX, Dell (at least he took it back). How strong is the evidence other tech investors really are too risk averse?
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Replying to @robertwiblin @webdevMason
If other investors really are too risk averse why are they keeping these founders around? We could also do a carve-out if this mattered a lot where founders can sign over dividends and capital gains on 3% of their equity each year while retaining voting rights on the shares.
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(1) Boards are typically so hesitant to oust founders that it's hard to know what conclusions you can draw from those cases. Softer power shifts are very tough to look at. Successful VCs are very pro-founder. Maybe the entire system is wrong, but it's not a test I wanna run live.
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(2) Tech investors are WONDERFULLY *not* averse to risk. It's made them, along with their founders, extremely wealthy. Which means they are also subject to a 3% tax on everything they own, which is mostly... portfolios of tech companies.
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What happens to all the founder/investor stock that *only* very successful owners have to sell off? Maybe their funds buy more of it back. Maybe VC compensation shifts rapidly from stock to income, further eroding skin in the game. Maybe less successful investors snap it up.
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(3) There usually aren't dividends. Capital gains isn't a thing until stock is sold. You *could* transfer an increasing ownership stake in virtually every highly successful business to the federal government, but obviously DON'T DO THAT.
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As long as they just auction off the stocks or do mirror voting seems like that would be fine? Agree we don't want active management by the IRS.
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Actually having the IRS take 3% of the company on paper and just hold onto it and mirror vote solves your problem as everyone's votes are diluted equally!
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If you zoom out a bit, what this looks like is the federal government gradually taking ownership of the country's most successful businesses under the guise of a tax that doesn't actually raise revenue. At bare minimum, this looks very, VERY bad
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Why bad? Only bad if they engage in active management. Otherwise it's just a sovereign wealth fund - the govt is accumulating wealth and when dividends are paid it can use that to fund expenditure, or borrow against its savings.
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OK — Is there any percentage of total ownership stake that you would *not* want the federal government to have? >20%? >50%? Would it have the right to sell its holdings? Borrow against them? Might it eventually try to do either of those things in some roundabout way?
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(Remember that if there is significant capital flight, other tax revenues will drop dramatically. The same populist fever dream that seeks to literally trap the wealthy who want to leave will have to be trusted to not do what it likes & claim it's not violating any agreements.)
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The main concern with this is that they would become active managers. The share that's too much is when other investors don't have enough of a stake to actively manage well. They can sell off their shares if desired, that seems fine. Don't see a prob with borrowing against them.
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