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    1. Kevin Schawinski‏Verified account @kevinschawinski 30 Jan 2019
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      My point is really that wealth taxes are not inherently destructive. Switzerland offsets the wealth tax by not having capital gains tax.

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    2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Sure — ultimately, governments need revenue; one way or another they have to extract it from citizens earning & holding wealth. Any policy creates economic disincentives. The devil's in the details, though: you have to notice when you're taxing the same pool over & over

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    3.  🤖 🦉CyberOwl  🦉 🤖‏ @Supreme_Owl_FTW 30 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @webdevMason @kevinschawinski

      The Swiss seem to have a better grasp than most on taxing the right stuff to balance public interest with private economic incentives.

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    4. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Any particular reason you say so?

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    5.  🤖 🦉CyberOwl  🦉 🤖‏ @Supreme_Owl_FTW 30 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @webdevMason @kevinschawinski

      Low income taxes, no capital gains tax, highly taxed dividends, wealth tax. "We want a dynamic economy, but not idle capital", IMO.

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    6. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      The capital gains vs. wealth tax thing is interesting to me. I'm not an economist, but... while taxing wealth that's actively earning vs. sitting around seems generally good, it's hard to get over the disincentive to invest anywhere you won't see returns for a while, no?

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    7.  🤖 🦉CyberOwl  🦉 🤖‏ @Supreme_Owl_FTW 30 Jan 2019
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      Let me ponder this for a while, gazing at the distant mountains out of my window while sipping espresso, stroking my chin and guiltily vaping...

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    8. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      I'm curious about this. I get the sense that it probably depends on what's going on w/ loan interest rates? Like, as long as I can borrow at a low rate to pay my taxes, I won't have to sell my assets at inopportune times. High/unstable rates might force me to hold more liquidity

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    9. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @webdevMason @Supreme_Owl_FTW @kevinschawinski

      That said, I dunno how this helps founders who really need to hold onto their controlling interest in their companies. They're not looking for a better time to sell; they're in it for years, decades, possibly life. Obviously not an edge case, super significant to the US economy

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    10. Kevin Schawinski‏Verified account @kevinschawinski 30 Jan 2019
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      Swiss politics is aware of this and many cantons are introducing measures to not tax early-stage startups at hopeful valuations. You really only get hit with the full wealth tax on your stake once the company makes Real Money.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 30 Jan 2019
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      Hm. The particular problem I'm pointing to isn't the risk/tentative nature of value in early stage ventures... it's that if you're taxed as a % of total wealth & all your wealth is in your company, you can technically be "getting richer" while still losing control of your company

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        2. Kevin Schawinski‏Verified account @kevinschawinski 30 Jan 2019
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          If we are talking about a mature company, the idea would be that you pay yourself enough in dividends so that this doesn't happen. It's important that the tax rate is low, sub-1%, so even a low divided keeps you even.

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        3. Kevin Schawinski‏Verified account @kevinschawinski 30 Jan 2019
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          Maybe the fundamental philosophical difference to a US point of view is that you don't have an unconditional right to property. Everything in Switzerland ultimately is sanctioned by the community (village, canton, confederation).

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