@trishankkarthik When we know the possible outcomes and have an explanatory theory to estimate all their probabilities (and utilities) we can use decision theory to decide what to do: e.g. choose the action with the highest expectation value of utility. When we don't, we can't.
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In particular, where probabilities are *unknowable*, there is no such thing as an estimate of them, nor even an "educated guess". Attempting those is then, at best, just scanning one's memory for prejudices, promised utopias and scare stories.
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Where probabilities are unknowable (which is often the case in, say, political decisions), it's not the case that reason is ineffective. It merely entails a methodology very different from utility theory—among other things focused on institutional rules not individual decisions.
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One of the damaging consequences of utility theory is that it makes people *uncritically certain* that they have ways of extracting knowledge from ignorance. Because (they reason) if there can be no such ways, there must be no such thing as rational decision making.
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Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf
I wonder how, under utilitarianism, one is to make sense of people forcefully causing a person to adopt a different utility function than the one they originally had. (Through coercion, brain rewrites..) There seems to be no way to make sense of this, let alone see it as evil.
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Replying to @MatjazLeonardis @DavidDeutschOxf
In other words, it would seem under utilitarianism coercive (moral) education isn't wrong. Or right. Or anything.
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Replying to @MatjazLeonardis @DavidDeutschOxf
In my experience, utilitarians who’ve given this any thought at all tend to assign the meta problem its own utility function, e.g. under which *feasible* utility function can I maximize utility? IMO, this is why wireheading advocates are often utilitarian thinkers
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What do they do with the next level of meta after that? Do they try to determine the most feasible way to find out what feasible utility functions they can maximize?
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I’m not saying it’s coherent
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Yeah, my probability estimate of it being coherent has certainly gone down.
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In any case utilitarians are often times some kind of socialist-so though coercive education mightn’t be great for individuals now & then-or even most of the time is, for them, utterly outweighed by its benefits to the collective. *Society* wins even if Joe & Jane typically lose.
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