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    1. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18 Dec 2018
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      Suppose a powerful Person A is helping a weaker Person B with their career in exchange for $1500/month. What circumstances, if any, need to be further specified for you to decide whether this is good or bad or nobody else’s business? (Subtweeting @robinhanson.)

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    2. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18 Dec 2018
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      For me, I think a lot of it boils down to whether Person A was supposed to be helping B without payment; or whether A is helping B *instead of* C; or does A’s industry run on gatekeeping and are supplicants desperate. Is power being misused or just used?

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    3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 18 Dec 2018
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      A strong hint in this case is whether the two can make the arrangement public. This part would be weirdly different with sex because the public is silly; but it does suggest a moral heuristic to not secretly ask/offer sex for help that you couldn’t publicly ask/offer money for.

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    4. Peter Wang‏ @pwang 18 Dec 2018
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      Your thought experiment misses the point because money is just money: it is the one thing in the world whose entire raison d'etre is to be transactional. The outrage about sex-for-mentorship is b/c intimacy should not be compelled nor induced in a *transactional* manner.

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    5. Peter Wang‏ @pwang 18 Dec 2018
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      It's not about the transaction, it's about the intimacy. Asking or requiring someone to pay for a sandwich is categorically different than asking someone to expose themselves for a sandwich.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Dec 2018
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      Right, but not all categorically different from asking for money from someone who recently earned it by exposing herself at a strip club. All of this stuff is norms colliding with mammal reality

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        2. Peter Wang‏ @pwang 18 Dec 2018
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          Kind of! This lies near the crux of the issue. It's OK to ask a stripper to expose herself for money *in a strip club*. Do it at a bar the next day, and you might get slapped. If said stripper is one of your grad students, and you do it in the office, expect to be fired.

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        3. Peter Wang‏ @pwang 18 Dec 2018
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          The degree to which intimacy can be transacted depends on both context/place AND individual choices. But should not be forced upon people as a static attribute of their person. Certainly, we should avoid creating systems of power that disenfranchise entire genders of that choice.

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