Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️

I'm also more pro redistribution message. I want people to revere impartial concern for welfare of all beings. Redistribution msg helps carry that. Also nearby worlds might involve moral obligation to give away lots of money for richest people. It's useful philosophical point.

I'm not against redistribution, and I think it's safe to assume you, I, and Tyler would roughly agree on how to do it. I do think the "you are the global 1%" messaging implies a problem with wealth (and even relatively minor wealth!) & has screwed up a lot of EAs' thinking

If we were starting again it's clear we wouldn't lead with 'give your money to the global poor' message! Probably not 'give your money' at all. So I mean, yeah, I'm in significant agreement. But hindsight is 20/20.

FWIW, I strongly suggest all of the EA org leaders attend newcomer/first-timer get-togethers at EA events — when I did, I was thoroughly stunned (and dismayed) by the attitudes reflected there

What were the attitudes?

Bumping this questions because I really want to know what the newcomers were talking about!

The most concerning one was that you have a moral obligation to take a job that you absolutely loathe if it is where your greatest comparative advantage in doing good lies. It is on you to find a way to survive it. There were no dissenters at a table of 6-8. I was floored.

I can't recall how many were speaking in favor, nodding, etc., but I did push back by saying that such a strong moral obligation could lead to burnout & dramatically reduce the adoption of EA principles, but my arguments — as presented by me, anyway — didn't seem impactful