It's tricky to walk back true claims right. ;) Hence just the change in what we focus on writing about.
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Replying to @robertwiblin @webdevMason and
I'm also more pro redistribution message. I want people to revere impartial concern for welfare of all beings. Redistribution msg helps carry that. Also nearby worlds might involve moral obligation to give away lots of money for richest people. It's useful philosophical point.
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I'm not against redistribution, and I think it's safe to assume you, I, and Tyler would roughly agree on how to do it. I do think the "you are the global 1%" messaging implies a problem with wealth (and even relatively minor wealth!) & has screwed up a lot of EAs' thinking
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If we were starting again it's clear we wouldn't lead with 'give your money to the global poor' message! Probably not 'give your money' at all. So I mean, yeah, I'm in significant agreement. But hindsight is 20/20.
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Fair. It’s just... if this take on EA is almost entirely novel *to me*, and if you have to be more involved in EA than *I* was to get the “real” message, there’s either a real problem with information transfer or a really serious disconnect between leaders & the movement
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Idk, I think
@webdevMason's expectations are kind of unrealistic. Anytime you have 100s-1000s of people thinking about a complex topic, there's going to be a lot of non-overlap btwn exactly how they'd define key terms, exactly what they think the central focus should be, etc2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
I am making the claim that most EAs think EA is primarily about redistribution — broadly defined as moving resources non-transactionally — and explicitly not primarily about growth.
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Julia Galef Retweeted Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️
TBC I was replying to this tweet of yours, which I thought was about something else (inconsistent messaging from EA):https://twitter.com/webdevMason/status/1052956898318643200 …
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Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ @webdevMasonReplying to @robertwiblin @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalefFair. It’s just... if this take on EA is almost entirely novel *to me*, and if you have to be more involved in EA than *I* was to get the “real” message, there’s either a real problem with information transfer or a really serious disconnect between leaders & the movement1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @juliagalef @webdevMason and
As I've said, I agree EA isn't primarily about growth, but disagree EA is primarily about redistribution (except for some very broad & nonstandard definition of redistribution that includes things like getting factory farms to go cage-free & making sure the world doesn't blow up)
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I don’t think I know what a standard definition of redistribution is, or a better term for “moving resources non-transactionally.” Insofar as EA is primarily about “doing good stuff better,” fair, I guess, although utterly lacking in content2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
I’m convinced at this point that the EA leadership does not think that redistribution is central to EA. I do not cede this about the EA rank-and-file, and I think the leadership probably ought to talk to them more, butpic.twitter.com/E7VHt9Olgd
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