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    1. David Deutsch‏ @DavidDeutschOxf 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @webdevMason @juliagalef @robertwiblin

      David Deutsch Retweeted HumanProgress.org

      A more fundamental question is: what does EA recommend in cases where the most effective thing isn't altruistic?https://twitter.com/HumanProgress/status/1052850035673759744 …

      David Deutsch added,

      HumanProgress.org @HumanProgress
      At the Millennium Summit of the United Nations in 2000, the world’s countries set the goal of halving the 1990 incidence of extreme poverty by 2015. This was met more than five years ahead of deadline. https://buff.ly/2QMVJia 
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    2. David Deutsch‏ @DavidDeutschOxf 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf @webdevMason and

      And what if those are Effectively all cases?

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    3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef @robertwiblin

      You have altogether too much fun, David 🙂

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    4. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @webdevMason @DavidDeutschOxf and

      For what it's worth & from what I can tell, EA focus among the idea-producing class has made positive shifts: Move More Money → Provide Useful Labor (and now, slowly) → Generate Ideas. I think it suffers from trying (successfully) to make early thinking very sticky

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    5. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @webdevMason @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

      EA is: maximise welfare while respecting rights. The rest is just a debate about means. How much that will involve each of redistribution / sacrifice / business / innovation / labour is very debatable and likely hinges on your individual circumstance and point in history.

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    6. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

      "EA is: maximise welfare while respecting rights." I have never seen this definition used in any EA materials, or reflected back to me by any EA except you, just now. I *have* heard it (or something like it) used by people who describe themselves as "EA adjacent" or similar.

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    7. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @webdevMason @robertwiblin and

      EA materials tend to use phrases like "do the most good" or "help others most effectively," which don't *exclude* your interpretation but certainly don't imply it!

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    8. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @webdevMason @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

      Everything has to be simplified to be explained. Maximise welfare + respect human rights would be misunderstood as few people know moral philosophy. 'Do the most good' could involve helping yourself so fully consistent. ...

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    9. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @webdevMason and

      'Help others most effective' does exclude helping yourself so is a more narrow claim, but in most cases helping yourself more won't be the most moral thing, so usually the switch doesn't lose much.

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    10. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @webdevMason and

      The max welfare + rights definition (or something functionally equivalent) has shown up more in the moral and moral uncertainty philosophy material coming out of Oxford, but is too technical and sterile to spread that widely.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

      And yet... Tyler just wrote an entire book about it that is no less accessible than any of the core EA texts. 😬

      7:52 AM - 18 Oct 2018
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        2. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 18 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @webdevMason @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

          Tyler's book is substantially less accessible than Doing Good Better. I wish we had done more philosophically sophisticated content from the outset, but that's the benefit of hindsight. Will's forthcoming books will be less general audience focus.

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        3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @robertwiblin @DavidDeutschOxf @juliagalef

          I disagree — I think some of the ideas are more likely to hit tribal nerves, but they’re not more difficult to understand and he does an excellent job of providing context for those (like this reader) who have essentially no familiarity with the subject matter

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