Getting *really* tangential now, the book + this interview with @tylercowen & @robertwiblin convinced me today to make a real go at quitting alcohol. (Today, coincidentally, marks 6 weeks without nicotine!)https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/tyler-cowen-stubborn-attachments/ …
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Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ Retweeted Robert Wiblin
With regard to the second tweet in this thread,
@juliagalef and@robertwiblin disagree with my claim that EA is "essentially about" redistribution. I suspect most EAs do consider redistribution essential to EA's philosophical core, but I leave it to youhttps://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1052715779936776193 …Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ added,
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David Deutsch Retweeted HumanProgress.org
A more fundamental question is: what does EA recommend in cases where the most effective thing isn't altruistic?https://twitter.com/HumanProgress/status/1052850035673759744 …
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And what if those are Effectively all cases?
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You have altogether too much fun, David
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For what it's worth & from what I can tell, EA focus among the idea-producing class has made positive shifts: Move More Money → Provide Useful Labor (and now, slowly) → Generate Ideas. I think it suffers from trying (successfully) to make early thinking very sticky
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EA is: maximise welfare while respecting rights. The rest is just a debate about means. How much that will involve each of redistribution / sacrifice / business / innovation / labour is very debatable and likely hinges on your individual circumstance and point in history.
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"EA is: maximise welfare while respecting rights." I have never seen this definition used in any EA materials, or reflected back to me by any EA except you, just now. I *have* heard it (or something like it) used by people who describe themselves as "EA adjacent" or similar.
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EA materials tend to use phrases like "do the most good" or "help others most effectively," which don't *exclude* your interpretation but certainly don't imply it!
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Everything has to be simplified to be explained. Maximise welfare + respect human rights would be misunderstood as few people know moral philosophy. 'Do the most good' could involve helping yourself so fully consistent. ...
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" Maximise welfare + respect human rights" doesn't seem horribly complicated to me.
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Not to me either, but try it out with someone who has never done any moral philosophy. Promoting an ideology sucks as it always gets simplified as it spreads, then people hate on you for not having the fully sophisticated version in the name, or first paragraph. But
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I mean, it certainly raises additional questions. It implies the need for further clarification on terms and discussion of downstream implications, edge cases, etc. But if you don't give your audience the real thing, it is *kind of* your fault when they don't have the real thing.
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