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Vulnerability Analyst at the CERT/CC. My thoughts are my own, not my employer's.

Joined August 2012

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    1. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons May 26
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      Replying to @steely_glint @Viss @moore_rich

      USB Ethernet adapters + shared connection. USB WiFi adapter + create_ap. I often block DNS and non-plaintext protocols, and gradually let stuff through as I work out what each bit does.

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    2. moore_rich‏ @moore_rich May 26
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      Replying to @cybergibbons @steely_glint @Viss

      USB wifi (alfa), hostap, dnschef and wireshark will get you a long way.

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    3. Will Dormann‏ @wdormann May 26
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      Replying to @moore_rich @cybergibbons and

      And if you're not comfortable with hostap, iptables, etc., CERT Tapioca can make it pretty point-and-clicky for you. https://github.com/CERTCC/tapioca pic.twitter.com/cYWIrTsEij

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    4. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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      Replying to @wdormann @moore_rich and

      This makes me conflicted. So many years doing things by hand only to realise... There's an easier way 🤣

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    5. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons May 26
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      Replying to @pjvenda @wdormann and

      I have honestly started swinging towards "lazy" as a preference. create_ap + a patch to bridge to a USB ethernet, simples.

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    6. moore_rich‏ @moore_rich May 26
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      Replying to @cybergibbons @pjvenda and

      Lazy is good. Automating stuff that used to be "black magic" and putting a GUI on it is how we make progress and it leaves more time for the actual cool stuff. That said, all tools are ephemeral and will be replaced by something better so understanding what they do is the key.

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    7. Cybergibbons‏ @cybergibbons May 26
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      Replying to @moore_rich @pjvenda and

      I do feel we need to embrace this more in hacking. I keep on trying to get this across in videos: stay lazy. Do the least work possible for results.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    8. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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      Replying to @cybergibbons @moore_rich and

      There's a balance to be struck with this stuff. I very much script everything so I don't have to think about it again. But I can if I want to. Problems arise when people are good at hacking and creative but very inefficient by not understanding 80% of the foundations they need.

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    9. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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      Replying to @pjvenda @cybergibbons and

      @cybergibbons you are really not the person that represents the class I am discussing. Quite the opposite. You know metric tonnes of everything. So you are well entitled to be lazy.

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    10. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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      Replying to @pjvenda @cybergibbons and

      But it concerns me a great deal with people can't deal with basic tasks and don't grasp basic concepts of networking, cryptography, architectures, operations, etc.

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      Will Dormann‏ @wdormann May 26
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      Replying to @pjvenda @cybergibbons and

      I use Tapioca myself on a regular basis. I don't feel like I'm cheating because the tool is a means to an end. And that end isn't having iptables command-line syntax memorized. Also, the existence of tools that are easier to use doesn't lead to people that are less knowledgeable.

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        2. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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          I was hoping this wasn't the idea I was portraying. I started by talking about my own view. I don't think any less of people who use tools like tapioca to get a job done. Or bettercap or burp or yersinia or responder or mimikatz or objection ..... I use all of them.

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        3. peter‏ @pjvenda May 26
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          I do worry when people who use some of these tools memorise a flowchart, which they adhere to religiously, sometimes at the cost of huge inefficiencies.

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