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Articulating the ineffable. Programming language theory 🤝 cognitive psychology. PhD @Stanford

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    1. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton Sep 28

      PL papers are hard to read, and LaTeX / PDF doesn't make it easier. So I decided to make the LaTeX of the future. You can check out in my HATRA'21 paper: "A New Medium for Communicating Research on Programming Languages" https://willcrichton.net/nota/ pic.twitter.com/p0yA3nSeOp

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    2. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Oct 19
      Replying to @wcrichton @chrisamaphone

      Ah, that was your paper! Great stuff.

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton Oct 19
      Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @chrisamaphone

      Your comments were very helpful in revisions! (Although I don't hold the same animosity towards Javascript...)

      12:38 PM - 19 Oct 2021
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        2. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi Oct 19
          Replying to @wcrichton @chrisamaphone

          I'm desperately torn between cheering on your great ideas and loathing your execution. What's even worse is that ACM's current HTML conversion mess should make us all especially sensitive to this. Happy to share in public the relevant part of my review.pic.twitter.com/EkuWuo8v6R

          5. The authoring language somewhat horrified me. We're going to
replace one horrifying language — (La)TeX — with another (JS)? Right
now ACM is in the midst of a giant (and somewhat failing) struggle to
get LaTeX papers converted to HTML; you're just going to replicate
this struggle down the road. (Surely you don't imagine we'll never
have a better format than HTML?) People will ask, "Whose bright idea
was it to start with one of the world's most unruly languages as the
source?" You'll be the ones raising your hands and taking the pelting
with rotten tomatoes, which is your prerogative, but everyone will
suffer for the consequences of it.

5.1. There's the JavaScriptiness of it.

5.2. There's the embedded string aspect of it.

5.3. There's the "JS is not designed to abstract over text" aspect of
it.
          6. I'm especially contrasting 5.3 above with languages like Scribble
["Scribble: Closing the Book on Ad Hoc Documentation Tools", ICFP
2009] and wondering why the authors are inventing an irregular
quadrilateral and calling it a wheel when people have actually thought
about these language design questions in some depth. In fact, just
about everything here could have been layered atop a sane authoring
language like Scribble, inherting all of its benefits while providing
the advantages listed here.

7. Authoring media have a way of escaping their domain of
creation. (Take HTML, which was never really intended for any of its
current uses.) Similarly, people will want to use the paper-authoring
medium to also write, e.g., books. Media like Scribble provide
features like separate compilation, which are invaluable there. How
will you provide that when you have a giant mess of JS?
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        3. Alan Jeffrey‏ @asajeffrey Oct 19
          Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @wcrichton @chrisamaphone

          The ACM LaTeX->HTML conversion pipeline is the "dark dystopian future" version of this paper.

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