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Articulating the ineffable. Programming language theory 🤝 cognitive psychology. PhD @Stanford

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    1. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      Hillel Retweeted Ash

      This is an interesting question, and while I reject the argument that FP is "better" than OOP I think it's worth discussing complex forces at play here. First of all, what do we mean by OOP and FP? They're not clear-cut definitions, especially when you talk about ecosystems!https://twitter.com/ashprakasan/status/1296351013222326273 …

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      Ash @ashprakasan
      I've spent an embarrassingly long time understanding the benefits of FP rather than making some progress on actually how to do it. And I am sold. Now I have one question - why did developers, as a group, decide to go with OOP when FP was already around?
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    2. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      Most people these days talk about a specific branch of FP: immutable, inferred static types. But this is a latecomer in FP! It stems from ML in 1976, which started off as a proof-assistant language. Arguably the first popularizer was Miranda in 1985. Before that, FP = Lisp & APL.

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    3. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      OOP comes from SIMULA-67, almost decade before ML, and was immediately popular from the start. While CLU (1975) and Smalltalk-80 had a major influence on OOP, they were influencing a mostly-coherent paradigm, meaning OOP had a head start on modern FP.

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    4. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      So OOP comes out earlier than ML, in the time when FP still meant LISP and APL. But OOP wasn't actually competing with them. They were all competing with COBOL.pic.twitter.com/MogdpXBT0x

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    5. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      It's hard to understand now just how big a deal COBOL was. For a long time, it was the dominant language in the world. The only thing that toppled it was C, and only because of the Unix era. APL, Lisp, OOP languages were all in competition with COBOL (and FORTRAN, and algols)

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    6. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      Here's some unfounded theory on my part: while OOP was a totally new conceptual model, it was a conceptual model that was much closer to the COBOL model than LISP and APL were. So it was easy for entrenched companies to switch to OOP languages from their legacies.

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    7. Hillel‏ @hillelogram 20 Aug 2020

      In support of this, I offer that C++ is the only OOP language that survived the Javapocalypse. I propose it survived because 1) it was a lot faster, and 2) it was closer to C, so was easier for people to migrate C -> C++ versus C -> Java.

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 20 Aug 2020
      Replying to @hillelogram

      Will Crichton Retweeted Will Crichton

      Stroustrup argued that the decline of Dennard scaling in mid-2000s revitalized C++, plus its widespread adoption in gaming/finance/science/etc.https://twitter.com/wcrichton/status/1272595086480510976 …

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      Will Crichton @wcrichton
      Replying to @wcrichton @jeanqasaur
      Also the really striking parallels between FORTRAN and C++. "No longer could inefficiencies in languages be completely hidden by hardware advances." "The 704 ... sped up floating point operations by a factor of ten and thereby leaving inefficiencies nowhere to hide." pic.twitter.com/zd6r1jWyWE
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        1. halo‏ @superfunc 20 Aug 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton @hillelogram

          that + the rise of devices with significant power draw considerations

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