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    1. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 14 Aug 2020

      Alexis King Retweeted zayenz

      I really like this blog post from @hillelogram because it touches upon something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately that didn’t make it into my most recent blog post: how constructive approaches have a really hard time capturing *negative* information.https://twitter.com/zayenz/status/1294172678161674245 …

      Alexis King added,

      zayenz @zayenz
      Replying to @lexi_lambda
      Very nice article, it’s good to have more nuanced descriptions of how to think about types. It reminds me of the article by Hillel Wayne “Constructive vs Predicative Data” (https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/constructive/ …)
      2 replies 6 retweets 51 likes
    2. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      Is this somehow linked with intuitionism and law of excluded middle? Whereby you can’t prove existence by claiming the inverse to be true?

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    3. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @prathyvsh @hillelogram

      Yes. Intuitionistic logic is also known as “constructive logic,” which is not a coincidence. And the Curry-Howard correspondence, which is also deeply related, connects computation to intuitionistic logic.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      Thanks for the explanation. It has me wondering, would this mean certain predicative structures would be inexpressible in constructive logic? Or are their extensional domains equivalent?

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    5. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @prathyvsh @hillelogram

      This is a really good question. It’s possible for the predicate to be undecidable, in which case it can’t be captured constructively, but that isn’t very interesting—any useful validation predicate will be decidable. And in that case, I’m not sure I know the answer!

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    6. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @prathyvsh @hillelogram

      I just spent the better part of an hour thinking about it, and I feel like I *should* know the answer (i.e. it feels like something I should be able to deduce from things I already know), but I’m afraid I don’t have the mathematical knowledge to say. Maybe @hillelogram does?

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    7. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      This has been a question I have been mulling over for quite some time now, but I am trying to improve my knowledge of the mathematical machinery/context needed to precisely arrive at a good delineation of what separates these approaches/schools of thought.

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    8. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @prathyvsh @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      I feel it is related to why Simply Typed LC is the internal language of CCC while I find such a category missing for untyped LC. There‘s a discussion between some great people in the field on it but it flies over my head to make much sense out of it: https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2006/08/categorifying_cccs_seeing_comp.html …

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    9. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @prathyvsh @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      Would love to know if you guys have some pointers on the issue or can refer to something which I can read up to understand more about these approaches. Also, thanks to both of you for bringing more clarity to these issues in a way it applies to day-to-day programming. Cheers!

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 14 Aug 2020
      Replying to @prathyvsh @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

      I liked Lean's page on "Axioms and Computation": https://leanprover.github.io/theorem_proving_in_lean/axioms_and_computation.html … A note on terminology: @hillelogram uses "constructive" for "predicate-free" and "predicative" for "uses predicates". But predicates themselves can also be constructive (logically) or non-constructive.

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        1. Prathyush‏ @prathyvsh 14 Aug 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton @lexi_lambda @hillelogram

          This looks pretty interesting. Thanks!

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