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    1. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 21 Jul 2020

      Are there any programming languages with *intentionally* unsound static type systems?

      13 replies 6 retweets 21 likes
    2. Josh Horowitz‏ @qualmist 21 Jul 2020
      Replying to @wcrichton

      Does TypeScript count? https://www.typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/type-compatibility.html … says things like "The places where TypeScript allows unsound behavior were carefully considered", which sounds like what you're looking for.

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    3. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 21 Jul 2020
      Replying to @qualmist

      Will Crichton Retweeted Will Crichton

      It does, although I'm realizing "sound" is hard to characterize. In a PLT sense, Typescript statics + dynamics are collectively sound b/c anything not caught by type system is checked at runtime. No stuck states / UB / segfaults / etc.https://twitter.com/wcrichton/status/1285700061712785408 …

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      Will Crichton @wcrichton
      Replying to @wcrichton @nick_r_cameron
      Hmm, the original tweet may be poorly phrased. This is the kind of example I want, but the Dart type system is still sound here when paired with runtime checks. Like soundness of gradual typing.
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    4. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 21 Jul 2020
      Replying to @wcrichton @qualmist

      No, this is no correct. TypeScript and Dart are both unsound became expressions of type Integer do not always produce values of type Integer (or errors). Soundness is not only (or even mostly) about error states.

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 21 Jul 2020
      Replying to @samth @qualmist

      I agree that the type system doesn't satisfy preservation. But soundness is usually defined as not reaching a stuck state, right? (At least, I double checked TAPL and that's what it says.) And so long as the runtime still has dynamic type checks, the whole system is sound.

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        2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 21 Jul 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton @qualmist

          I don't have my copy of TAPL here but I'm pretty sure it defines soundness as progress plus preservation, and preservation fails for these languages.

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        3. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 21 Jul 2020
          Replying to @samth @wcrichton @qualmist

          Anyway, progress and preservation are lemmas in the standard proof technique for proving soundness, not soundness itself. If you look at Wright and Felleisen this is called Strong Soundness, and it's a corallary of progress and preservation.

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        2. Ian Sweet‏ @completelysound 21 Jul 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton @samth @qualmist

          Not familiar with Typescript, but soundness is tricky. The paper by Wright and Felleisen defines both "weak soundness" and "strong soundness". The former is what you are referring to, the latter also adds that the final result must have the same type as the original expression.

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        3. Ian Sweet‏ @completelysound 21 Jul 2020
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          Additionally, strictly speaking, a type system may violate progress + preservation and still satisfy soundness. Progress and preservation are a stronger requirement, since type soundness only speaks about the final result (not about the intermediate terms in a reduction).

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