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    1. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020

      We all know mutable state can be problematic. But the explanations tend to be abstractions like "reasoning" and "composability". What's a simple *convincing* example in single-threaded code? Having trouble making one that isn't obviously bogus. Is it only a problem at scale?

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    2. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020

      Pointers to examples please! We've been promoting this belief for decades, and have built entire languages because of it. Surely there are many concrete examples that support it?

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    3. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020

      Here's an example of the "reasoning" argument cc @tomaspetricekhttps://livebook.manning.com/book/real-world-functional-programming/chapter-1/69 …

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    4. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020

      Background: I have an idea for making state mutation safer. Next step is to pick motivating examples to be solved in the paper. I'm having difficulty finding something simple and compelling. Pulling on that thread, I can't even find examples motivating pure FP. Huh?

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    5. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @jonathoda

      "Can programming be liberated from the von Neumann architecture?" and "Why Functional Programming Matters" have concrete examples (dot product, square-root algo) of why to prefer a functional style. In general, numerical code b/c the underlying math is already pure functional.

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    6. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @wcrichton

      My reading is their examples don't show actual *problems* with imperative code. They just show how more *beautiful* the functional code is.

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 6 Jun 2020
      Replying to @jonathoda

      I think Backus' comparison provides reasonable arguments for the functional version that don't appeal to aesthetic. He argues about nameless-ness, compositionality, generality.pic.twitter.com/b2tpuYT4SZ

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        2. Jonathan Edwards‏ @jonathoda 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton

          Which can all be roughly translated as “more like math”, which is not such a compelling argument if you aren’t doing math

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        3. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 6 Jun 2020
          Replying to @jonathoda

          But that's the point, isn't it? FP is about making programming more like math. It's natural to pick examples from the math domain, where the contrast is most obvious. I guess I'm not sure whether you're against the reasoning or against the choice of example.

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