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Articulating the ineffable. Programming language theory 🤝 cognitive psychology. PhD @Stanford

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    1. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      Providing programming language platforms to a large org & lots of users forced me to change how I think about and discuss PLs. Programmers will say "X is hard", "I don't like Y", "A is good", or "I love it when B" about a PL. * They cannot be wrong. * You cannot argue. 🤯 1/

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    2. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      These are your users and your customers. And they are telling you how *they* view their experience with the language. They can't be wrong. It's literally their perspective they are reporting. Finally, "the customer is never wrong" makes sense to me. You *have* to listen. 2/

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    3. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      And you can't just argue with them! Maybe you have a *brilliant*, wizard-level explanation. Suddenly, everything makes sense to them. Sounds great, doesn't matter. If users have to receive your brilliance before understanding a PL, you have failed. 3/

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    4. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      You have to understand what led to users having this view about their experience. Maybe the experience was different, but their *perception* and *memory* skewed things. Why? Maybe they experience the PL in a surprising way. What way? Why? 4/

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    5. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      And you have to change *the language* or *the way they learn or experience* the language to address it. It has to be systematic. You need everyone going forward to automatically benefit from the improvement, or it didn't really help. This requires that deep understanding! 5/

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    6. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      This means *your* experience or view on the PL is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT! I know, it hurts, but it just doesn't matter. About all you can use it for is to help you understand *their* experience. Critically ask yourself before bringing up your personal experience: who cares? 6/

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    7. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      If you point out feedback is wrong, you won't learn how to improve. If you argue, you won't learn why (and your users will run away). If you don't fix the root cause, the fix won't scale. If you focus only on your own experiences, you will build a PL only you want to use. 7/

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    8. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      People working on PLs, advocating, teaching, or otherwise trying to contribute to the PL community IMO need to make this shift to be effective. And we need all of our PLs to improve as an industry. So we need to learn how to be *effective* improving them. 8/

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    9. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020

      Otherwise we just keep shouting at each other. Otherwise we just keep struggling with poor tools with which to build all of our software. 9/9

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 27 Mar 2020
      Replying to @chandlerc1024

      Do you have any examples from your experience of user-driven insights that meaningfully influenced language development? Advocacy for HCI in PL really needs more empirical data on the benefits in practice.

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        2. Chandler Carruth‏ @chandlerc1024 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @wcrichton

          Will think more about it, but one jumps to mind: Should we "always use `auto`" in C++ to avoid spelling out the type? Most in C++ committee said "yes", many PL designs seem to agree & encourage w/ syntax. Our C++ users *reading code* told us pervasive use hurt readability. 🤯

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        3. Piotr Żelasko‏ @PiotrZelasko 27 Mar 2020
          Replying to @chandlerc1024 @wcrichton

          This just reminded me my own experience - as long as I was using an IDE which would resolve the auto and display the inferred type in a tooltip, it was great. Once I viewed the same codebase in vim on a remote server, it was confusing. I guess it really depends on the tooling!

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