Will Crichton on Twitter: "I think part of the challenge is separating the good parts of constructionism from the entirety of Papert’s ideology. Deliberate practice is actually opposed (somewhat) to his version. See https://t.co/p9CWD15x50… https://t.co/VLgD0zAgrC"

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Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 25 Sep 2019

Replying to @sigfig @deech and

I know nothing about this, so I can’t confirm or deny that, but IIRC there was evidence to suggest it does generalize more than you might think… but again, I’m totally uneducated here, and I know none of the nuance.

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andrew blinn‏ @disconcision 25 Sep 2019

Replying to @lexi_lambda @sigfig and

Yeah I was also under the impression that negative results on exploratory learning were based on classroom settings, where it seems unsurprising to me. I guess it's time to actually engage with the research... @soylentqueen (or anyone) have starting point recs?

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Nintendo .DS_Store‏ @sliminality 25 Sep 2019

Replying to @disconcision @lexi_lambda and

A lot of empirical literature does focus on classrooms, but the consensus is that well-guided/scaffolded instruction outperforms constructivist approaches for individuals as well. I like this wiki: https://andrewcerniglia.com/phd/workflow/example/working%20memory.html …

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Nintendo .DS_Store‏ @sliminality 25 Sep 2019

Replying to @sliminality @disconcision and

I'm very happy to discuss further in DMs, but I don't champion this view outside of LS research circles anymore, since my experience is that these sorts of discussions often devolve into non-falsifiable assertions and I'm not trying to deny anyone's personal experiences.

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ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @sliminality @soylentqueen and

OMG, yeah, debating constructivists is a pointless activity because you're questioning their mystical experiences, which isn't something that can be done rationally.

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deech‏ @deech 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @soylentqueen and

I at least wasn't debating, just relaying a personal experience about what didn't work. Wish it did.

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ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @deech @soylentqueen and

Missed this thread... Pointer?

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deech‏ @deech 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @soylentqueen and

deech Retweeted deech

https://twitter.com/deech/status/1177000423632379904 …

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There's a large subset of people for whom graded structured pedagogy doesn't work, is a huge turn off and in my case a little triggering because school was a traumatic experience.

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Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @deech @ShriramKMurthi and

I wonder if there's any research on constructivism and affect. A hypothesis: guided learning, particularly in classrooms, is great for knowledge acquisition and bad for motivation, but vice versa for unsupervised exploration.

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Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @wcrichton @deech and

Geoffrey Litt Retweeted Geoffrey Litt

This is exactly what I've been wondering about lately! It seems like the metric we choose for "successful learning" will strongly bias ideas on which methods work well. Maybe constructionism is arguing for a new yardstick, in addition to new methods?https://twitter.com/geoffreylitt/status/1172580627708690432 …

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Intrigued by this! as someone w/o much background in this area: Is deliberate practice actually in tension with Papert's ideas? Also, I wonder if constructionism helps build the motivational foundation to persist through the hard work of deliberate practice? https://twitter.com/hillelogram/status/1172519624778403843 …

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Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019

Replying to @geoffreylitt @deech and

I think part of the challenge is separating the good parts of constructionism from the entirety of Papert’s ideology. Deliberate practice is actually opposed (somewhat) to his version. See https://morganya.org/research/2018-Ames-CSCW-Constructionism.pdf …

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