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    1. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @deech @shajra

      I’m in a similar boat, and everything I’ve learned in the past few years has been self-taught… but OTOH @soylentqueen beat into my head that the research pretty much always shows that direct instruction trounces exploratory learning and that “learning styles” are sort of a myth.

      5 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
    2. sigfig‏ @sigfig 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @deech and

      gotta be careful with that particular idea i think, the pedagogical concerns and strategies of institutions don’t actually reveal that much about learning as an unstructured process, and most inspection of the “learning styles” meme is focused on schools and universities

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Alexis King‏ @lexi_lambda 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @sigfig @deech and

      I know nothing about this, so I can’t confirm or deny that, but IIRC there was evidence to suggest it does generalize more than you might think… but again, I’m totally uneducated here, and I know none of the nuance.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. andrew 🦆blinn‏ @disconcision 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @lexi_lambda @sigfig and

      Yeah I was also under the impression that negative results on exploratory learning were based on classroom settings, where it seems unsurprising to me. I guess it's time to actually engage with the research... @soylentqueen (or anyone) have starting point recs?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Nintendo .DS_Store‏ @sliminality 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @disconcision @lexi_lambda and

      A lot of empirical literature does focus on classrooms, but the consensus is that well-guided/scaffolded instruction outperforms constructivist approaches for individuals as well. I like this wiki: https://andrewcerniglia.com/phd/workflow/example/working%20memory.html …

      1 reply 2 retweets 11 likes
    6. Nintendo .DS_Store‏ @sliminality 25 Sep 2019
      Replying to @sliminality @disconcision and

      I'm very happy to discuss further in DMs, but I don't champion this view outside of LS research circles anymore, since my experience is that these sorts of discussions often devolve into non-falsifiable assertions and I'm not trying to deny anyone's personal experiences.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi 26 Sep 2019
      Replying to @sliminality @soylentqueen and

      OMG, yeah, debating constructivists is a pointless activity because you're questioning their mystical experiences, which isn't something that can be done rationally.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    8. deech‏ @deech 26 Sep 2019
      Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @soylentqueen and

      I at least wasn't debating, just relaying a personal experience about what didn't work. Wish it did.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi 26 Sep 2019
      Replying to @deech @soylentqueen and

      Missed this thread... Pointer?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. deech‏ @deech 26 Sep 2019
      Replying to @ShriramKMurthi @soylentqueen and

      deech Retweeted deech

      https://twitter.com/deech/status/1177000423632379904 …

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      deech @deech
      Replying to @deech @shajra and 4 others
      There's a large subset of people for whom graded structured pedagogy doesn't work, is a huge turn off and in my case a little triggering because school was a traumatic experience.
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019
      Replying to @deech @ShriramKMurthi and

      I wonder if there's any research on constructivism and affect. A hypothesis: guided learning, particularly in classrooms, is great for knowledge acquisition and bad for motivation, but vice versa for unsupervised exploration.

      8:55 AM - 26 Sep 2019
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        2. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019
          Replying to @wcrichton @deech and

          It's simultaneously possible for guidance to produce more learning per unit of student effort, while exploration produces long-term motivation that causes you to invest more overall effort than you would in a classroom.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019
          Replying to @wcrichton @deech and

          With the conclusion obviously not being “get rid of teachers”, but “make classrooms more exciting!”

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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        2. Geoffrey Litt‏ @geoffreylitt 26 Sep 2019
          Replying to @wcrichton @deech and

          Geoffrey Litt Retweeted Geoffrey Litt

          This is exactly what I've been wondering about lately! It seems like the metric we choose for "successful learning" will strongly bias ideas on which methods work well. Maybe constructionism is arguing for a new yardstick, in addition to new methods?https://twitter.com/geoffreylitt/status/1172580627708690432 …

          Geoffrey Litt added,

          Geoffrey Litt @geoffreylitt
          Intrigued by this! as someone w/o much background in this area: Is deliberate practice actually in tension with Papert's ideas? Also, I wonder if constructionism helps build the motivational foundation to persist through the hard work of deliberate practice? https://twitter.com/hillelogram/status/1172519624778403843 …
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        3. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 26 Sep 2019
          Replying to @geoffreylitt @deech and

          I think part of the challenge is separating the good parts of constructionism from the entirety of Papert’s ideology. Deliberate practice is actually opposed (somewhat) to his version. See https://morganya.org/research/2018-Ames-CSCW-Constructionism.pdf …

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