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Articulating the ineffable. Programming language theory 🤝 cognitive psychology. PhD @Stanford

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    1. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

      in both physics and math part of the problem is that there are so many new things being discovered that it's hard to know in advance which ones are important enough to name

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    2. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth

      This is a fair criticism. The wording is too harsh and definitely ascribes too much intent to what can be a coincidence of history. (When writing the post, I was still in a blind rage from thinking about Type 1 errors.) I've updated the wording to be less incendiary.

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    3. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @wcrichton

      Thanks, but it still kind of ascribes intent here -- while in many cases (e.g Avogadro's number) the naming is done as a way to recognize their contribution, in many others it's literally just the gradual evolution of "that theorem that Cauchy wrote that we like"

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    4. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

      as in, simply saying "we should stop naming things after people" isn't enough because this is a *symptom* of a paradox: you can't invent names for everything, so you need to come up with names for important things, but you don't know what's important until others talk about it

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    5. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

      and since you didn't name it, the only way folks have to talk about the theorem is "that theorem from Cauchy's recent paper", which evolves into "Cauchy's theorem" if it turns out to be important

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    6. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

      so there's an underlying problem that needs to be addressed: how do you name things when you have tens of thousands of new things to name each year, but only a handful of them will be eventually important enough to *need* names?

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    7. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth

      I guess it's not clear to me that "you can't invent names for everything" is true in the first place. Programmers engage in the act of naming things all the time. (Maybe that just means we need namespaces, but for theorems.)

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    8. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
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      right, we have namespaces, and outside of namespaces we come up with bullshit names most of the time too that chapter i linked to has like twenty other theorems just like cauchy's theorem. only one of them ended up having a name.

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    9. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

      for those twenty theorems, try to come up with names that are actually useful without getting extremely verbose :)

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    10. Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @ManishEarth

      Sure, that makes sense that in the moment, a good name may not always be at hand. Perhaps the real advocacy is for re-evaluation, that once an idea becomes sufficiently important, there should be systematic mechanisms for deciding on a better name.

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      Will Crichton‏ @wcrichton 17 Nov 2018
      Replying to @wcrichton @ManishEarth

      Just imagine the vast scope of possible scientific bikeshedding. A thousand usize debates, playing out across the globe.

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        2. Manish‏ @ManishEarth 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @wcrichton

          Yep, aggressively reevaluating existing names is the path forward here -- passive policies like "don't name things after people" won't work :)

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        3. Lucien‏‏ @LPGhatguy 17 Nov 2018
          Replying to @ManishEarth @wcrichton

          IUPAC and IAU sort of figured this out -- give things poor names and then convene every once in awhile to debate noteworthiness and assign names!

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