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Holocaust and Genocide Studies/ Senior Lecturer @northumbriauni/ @usarmy veteran / solo dad / goalkeeper/ Grad @westpoint_usma and @UNC. he/him

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    Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

    Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots! Retweeted Dinesh D'Souza

    [THREAD] On what a concentration camp IS or why @DineshDSouza doesn't need to lose his historically-disadvantaged mind over nuanced comparisons. 🙄🤦‍♂️ Let's talk about this. (@AOC @RepAOC, I've got your back here.) 👇👇👇👇https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1141000971960627201 …

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    Dinesh D'SouzaVerified account @DineshDSouza
    Nazi concentrarion camps were forced labor camps. They were not for illegal immigrants but rather for war captives, internal dissidents and Jews. Some like Auschwitz had extermination facilities so they also functioned as death camps. So where is the valid analogy here? https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1140968240073662466 …
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      2. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Me checking into Twitter this afternoon... On it...pic.twitter.com/qLDEjJKz35

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      3. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        First, I've actually written on this a couple times or been interviewed about it. So we'll lead with that.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/06/20/yes-you-can-call-the-border-detention-centers-concentration-camps-but-apply-the-history-with-care/ …

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      4. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/ …

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      5. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Back to Dint DoThereading's hot take.🔥 Maybe start w/ the basic history of concentration camps as a concept. And, for those like DD who order off the historical picture menu, the Nazis didn't create the idea of the concentration camp. See @andreapitzerhttps://www.amazon.com/One-Long-Night-History-Concentration/dp/0316303593 …

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      6. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        One can tie some of the origins back to the British concentration camps in the Boer War, designed to hold Boers to prevent their support of rebels, but also as an unwanted population, including women and children.pic.twitter.com/9Gz7f8HRwh

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      7. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        The Germans created concentration camps in Namibia as well in the early 1900s as well.pic.twitter.com/kO5m4hlpb1

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      8. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        There are lots of other examples of camps (Gulags) so I won't belabor that point. There are some key things to point out in response to DD's rejection of an analogy to today's immigration detention facilities.

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      9. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        The first is...logic. An analogy is, by definition, a comparison of things that have relevant similarities. It does not require identical similarity. So, when I say DD is a "fish out of water" in historical thinking, it's clear I don't think he is a fish.pic.twitter.com/Wy5cW8uMeW

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      10. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Secondly, he (not surprisingly) gets his #Holocaust history desperately wrong with his generalizations. Holocaust scholars don't (or shouldn't) use the term "death camps." It is vague, too open to generalization, and fails to enlighten.

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      11. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        In pop culture, we may use the term "concentration camp" expansively, but the Nazis didn't. KL/KZ= Konzentrationslager (concentration camp) Vernichtungslager = extermination camp DULAG= Durchgangslager (transit camp) JULAG= (Judenlager) Jewish ghetto camp

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      12. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        ZAL= Zwangsarbeitslager (Forced Labor Camp) KGFL= Kriegsgefangenenlager (POW camp) Straflager = punishment camp, often for German military offenders (There are even more: Factory slave labor camps, Nazi plantations, moving work camps on highways, etc, etc)

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      13. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        So, first off, to your tweet: while POWs did end up in some camps (predominantly Auschwitz) they by and large did not end up the kinds of concentration camps you are talking about. So, "war captives" are a red herring.

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      14. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Second, you seem to only be focusing on the WHO rather than the WHAT of the concentration camp analogy. While, yes, the ICE detention centers don't hold dissidents and concentration camps (CCs) didn't hold mainly immigrants, there are other valid comparisons.

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      15. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        You can't just write off the whole argument by saying they aren't Auschwitz. I will stipulate that they aren't. No one is being exterminated or likely to be. Can we move on?

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      16. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        When the Nazis first established their CCs in the early 1930s, they were known as "wild camps" because they took a dizzying variety of forms: abandoned factories, basements of bars, SA HQs, barges.pic.twitter.com/YrexehgXJx

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      17. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        However, due to the decentralization of these places, they got out of hand rather quickly both in terms of conditions and brutalization of the inmates. The Nazis closed almost all of them and "reformed" the system to base it around a few permanent more controlled environments.

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      18. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        So, one analogy to the present: when a system of detention is created without the infrastructure to support it, bad things happen. AKA people dying in facilities not designed to hold them, or not in large numbers. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/24-immigrants-have-died-ice-custody-during-trump-administration-n1015291 …

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      19. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Both in the early period and the later period, Nazi CCs were overwhelmed with prisoner populations they were unable to handle. As a result, disease was a major killer. Also, b/c Nazis viewed prisoners as inferior they did not provide adequate medical care.https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/20/us-poor-medical-care-deaths-immigrant-detention …

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      20. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        This expansion of policy sets the stage for poor improvisation and a further victimization of detainees. This is a systemic problem for detention centers and CCs. It is a structural issue of poor planning, regardless of the morality of the policy.

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      21. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        CCs also created sealed places of detention, places whose only oversight was sympathetic SS authorities. As a result, a culture of brutality and extrajudicial violence developed. It was illegal for SS men to kill prisoners, but the culture allowed it. (Text from Wachsmann)pic.twitter.com/grJ0gHEZry

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      22. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Thus, new dysfunctional norms could be created and exercised outside of the public eye...and justified by the perceived inferiority of the prisoners. https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-rights-and-detention/ice-detention-center-says-its-not-responsible …

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      23. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        pic.twitter.com/MK7Kyl2iUK

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      24. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Perhaps more importantly, particularly early on, the Nazi CCs were DIRECTLY linked with immigration policy, though in reverse. When Jews were held, it was because Nazis wanted them to EMIGRATE. The goal was to make life so unpleasant so that they would leave.pic.twitter.com/Rw9wNjPfJs

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      25. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        pic.twitter.com/7SD2X4uifX

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      26. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Most Jews in this period were released...so that they could leave the country. Just as the Trump administration has intentionally used conditions in the detention centers to deter immigration.pic.twitter.com/CYJNJXCbsH

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      27. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        So there are some pretty strong connections, even with immigration (in this case emigration). Nazi CCs did lots of things, but one of them was certainly to control population flows.

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      28. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        As ICE detention centers begin to include families, we should also realize that so did some Nazi CCs, particularly Auschwitz. Naturally, the scale of deplorable conditions is FAR different here, but families and children WERE prisoners of CCs.pic.twitter.com/DLOjxGqK2h

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      29. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        There is also clearly an element of racism involved in the ICE detention centers: intentionally stopping soccer, English lessons, etc seems designed to inflict unnecessary discomfort on prisoners.

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      30. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        Also, while immigrants are not criminals, many Americans view them as such as they have been "criminalized" by the right wing narrative. This is quite similar to the justifications used by the Nazis to incarcerate those they deemed unfit to be in society.

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      31. Dr. Waitman Beorn-Now with all shots!‏ @waitmanb 18 Jun 2019

        I should note in the American context that the Indian "reservation" could be seen as another, larger form of concentration camp in many ways. Attempts to separate an "undesirable" population, etc. (The Nazis planned Jewish reservations)

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