Perhaps utopias and dystopias are the same thing, just as seen from the in-group or the out-group
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If you extend the scope to all living things then yes. A disease-free utopia is an apocalyptic dystopia for germs for eg.
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Absolute best work on this problem is James Scott's "Seeing Like a State" https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300078152/seeing-state … the success of designs for social organization depends upon the recognition that local, practical knowledge is as important as formal, epistemic knowledge
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that's a fave 'round the ol ribbon farm
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This is the story of utopian & separatist religions in the US. I'd recommend The King Of Beaver Island and Rough Stone Rolling. On the personal impact, Four Zinas tells my ggg grandma's family story. Also, utopians attract predators.
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Also Mauss The Angel and the Beehive & Daymon Smith's dissertation on institutional lying in polyg Utah. When Prophecy Fails is another central text on cog biases that leave people vulnerable.
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