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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      Are there any known ways to systematically reprogram typical class attitudes (from lower to upper middle class for example)? Not superficial stuff like dress or speech or table manners. Stuff like financial habits, education plans, work ethics etc.

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    2. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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      Did...did you just make a class-based distinction in work ethic? Wtf dude...

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      Of course there’s a work ethic difference. Whether it’s a good or bad one for either side is up to you to decide.

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    4. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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      Well, I dunno...I think it'd be pretty challenging to "reprogram upper" and upper-middle class people to consistently put in a hard day's work.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      Now your biases are showing through. Most “working rich” upper middle and upper class people work horrendously hard, like 100-120 hour weeks, barely any sleep They enjoy it more than poor people who are forced to the same effort, but they aren’t lazy unless it’s inherited wealth

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    6. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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      Maybe you can clarify your assertion that there are class-based differences in work ethic. Is it the rich or poor who don't work as hard? Also, [citation needed] re: your assertion that most "working rich" (whatever that means) work 100+ hr weeks. I'm...skeptical.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      Why do you think it’s a difference in how hard they work? It’s attitude, style, anxiety levels, career expectations, competition/cooperation balance, backstabbing vs. mutual aid etc. A function of the kinds of roles the classes usually have

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    8. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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      That was your assertion, not mine. The post I initially replied to pretty plainly reads like you take work ethic (and financial planning & education plans) to be class-based "attitudes".

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      You’re still talking past me. I think you are assuming I’m implying the poor are lazier or something. I’m saying nothing of the sort. Just that the classes have different work ethics. Not better or worse.

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    10. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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      Hm...it seems like you may be using "work ethic" to mean something *other* than (roughly) "level of [sustained] effort". I'd argue that's pretty non-standard, and now it's not clear to me what you meant at all.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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      Your sense of the term is very weird. Most uses I’ve seen simply mean an ethos of work. Like Weber’s protestant ethic. Good/bad is a further qualifier. Jobs differ in the conscientiousness, imagination, risk-taking they need. That’s what defines associated effective work ethics.

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        2. microdosing baileys‏ @fmailhot 4 Mar 2018
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          Literally nobody I know uses the term that way. "Work ethic" is used to mean "how hard/long a person is willing to work", and nearly always has a value judgement attached. What you're defining sounds like "work style" or maybe "cognitive/affective engagement".

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 4 Mar 2018
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          When people use it that way, they usually qualify a work ethic as good/bad or say he/she lacks a work ethic. I think your reference set is all people who share a work ethic and differ only in how well they work by it. “Good vs. bad apple” != “apple vs orange”

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