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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 28 Jan 2018
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      Hmm can vitalism be refactored as an aesthetic? As a non-empiricist metaphysics it’s a non-starter in 2018. Like stream of consciousness, but for any process, not just literature. A post-biomorphic aesthetic of organic as opposed to mechanistic systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitalism 

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    2. Chris Johnson‏ @spiderfoods 28 Jan 2018
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      Empiricism is almost inherently vitality-draining, no? I've never been good at combining the two, at least.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 28 Jan 2018
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      So something like say “false class consciousness” somehow seems to work in a vitalist way without being vulnerable to empiricist critiques. Because it derives its vitalism from individual, empiricism-proof, consciousness

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    4. Chris Johnson‏ @spiderfoods 28 Jan 2018
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      Ah. I frequently exhibit this problem discussing machine intelligence, and have been guilty of dismissing it as a metaphysical question. I'm curious if Mary Shelley readers had the same debate back in her day.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 28 Jan 2018
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      Hmm off the many ways you could put together a random jumble of electrical parts and batteries, only a tiny percent will form stably functioning circuits. So you could argue that vitalism is a sort of improbable-circuitry position.

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        2. Chris Johnson‏ @spiderfoods 28 Jan 2018
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          I guess part of problem is that consciousness is defined partly as a felt experience, which are not communicable between sapient entities, so knowing if an entity has same internal experience as you or one that's just Chinese Room'ing a simulacra of one seems impossible.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 28 Jan 2018
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          Yeah, and I think vitalists and strict empiricists differ in how much benefit of doubt they give to the possibility of there being a non-trivial boundary to “living” conditions

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