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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Dec 2017
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      Most serious and consequential debates are decided by one side running out of stamina and the other winning by default. When something actually matters to you, staying in the debate is more important than winning or losing particular points.

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    2. Patrick Bergel‏ @goodmachine 16 Dec 2017
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      No serious and consequential debates are decided like that, by definition. Your examples are?

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Dec 2017
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      Let me flip the question around for you. What serious and consequential debates were decided by one side admitting the other side was right and getting on board? (as opposed to just quitting the conversation)

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    4. Víctor Marín‏ @Erthelillo 16 Dec 2017
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      Possibly scientific debates, but might be more like next generation discarding one of the views. Which is similar to winning because the other side diez.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Dec 2017
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      This is the main case I'm thinking of actually. Famous idea (Kuhn I think) that a new paradigm is accepted because the old academics resisting it die out, not because they're convinced

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    6. Patrick Bergel‏ @goodmachine 16 Dec 2017
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      Max Planck said "science progresses one death at a time" so I guess there is a case to be made there.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Dec 2017
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      Another similar in spirit example is legislation. Left and right rarely work together. They just move their policy agendas forward when they have majority. Consistently losing ideologies drop out of the legislation game rather than accepting the winning view.

      12:18 PM - 16 Dec 2017
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        2. Patrick Bergel‏ @goodmachine 16 Dec 2017
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          Tactical retreat is not surrender.

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        3. Patrick Bergel‏ @goodmachine 16 Dec 2017
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          To return to your original assertion, I cannot think of any examples that were 'won' by default in any domain. Defeat postponed is not victory either.

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