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27/ In part 1 we saw how a civilizational project based on the aspiration to not cause unnecessary pain was possibly incoherent
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28/ Let's assume majority of humans (not including you and me of course) derive pleasure from causing/witnessing pain as a condition of life
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31/ Let's set aside functional value of pain (learning to endure some pain yourself is maybe good; so causing mutual pain for that is too)
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32/ Let's also set aside societal-functional value if any, such as pain caused for deterrence purposes. These don't need pleasure to justify
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