13/ Our penal system implicitly assumes shades-of-red theory. Prison guards and cops I suspect have at least a small streak of sadism.
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24/ Which brings us to the dark question: if finding pleasure in others' pain is central to psyche of "normal" humans, what is civilization?
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25/ It might very well be that a scalable, meaningful utopia for most humans will be based on bloodsports and torturable AIs in VR

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Or a lie useful to both the saints (who hope to expand sainthood) and the sadists (who hope to keep civ pacified)
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