do you believe in the horseshoe theory?
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Replying to @zem42
Not for people within the 3-sigma limits of hard right/hard left. Those in the 3-6 sigma range recognize and transcend horseshoe. So...kinda
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Replying to @vgr
now i'm imagining people very near the centre on the left/right axis, but way near the top on the extremist/whateverist axis
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Replying to @zem42
Authoritarian to libertarian is the traditional orthogonality
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Replying to @vgr
it's not the same thing, though; it's the need to believe in whatever you believe in to an extreme degree
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Replying to @zem42
That's my point. Traditional left right is for foxes. Hedgehogs eventually find and embrace either authoritarianism or libertarianism.
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Replying to @vgr
do you see libertarians as a branch of the left? i've always felt they had way more in common with the right
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Replying to @zem42
Yup. Left libertarianism is incoherent/wishful thinking unless you assume sufficient material prosperity. At which point leftism is moot.
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Replying to @vgr
i'm curious now; have you ever seen a libertarian oppose basic income on the grounds that everyone would sit around and not work?
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Replying to @zem42
No I think that's more of a regular conservative trope? I think libertarians are largely fine with idleness
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See this re hypocrisy of libertarianism being functionally similar to authoritarianismhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/opinion/sunday/how-to-get-the-wealthy-to-donate.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 …
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