feminism/suffrage --> women in workforce during WWII --> any innovation they made
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Replying to @vgr
that wasnt values that was necessity, also poor woman have always worked
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Replying to @turrible_tao @vgr
the value of woman working too didnt precede that it was a war
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Replying to @turrible_tao
I could do this infinite regress all day, which should suggest there's chicken-egg feedback loop between values and evolution
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Replying to @turrible_tao
my mental model is that the values genome always contains far more than is expressionless in current environment.
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Replying to @vgr @turrible_tao
gays have existed forever, but look at steady rise in their level of contribution...Turing is foundation of modernity now
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Replying to @vgr
there was a president who fucked men and nobody thought it was that weird concept of gay is probably new
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Replying to @turrible_tao
post-Victorian west did get more prudish than before, yes. But history has largely been homophobic afaict
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Replying to @vgr
I have no idea beyond knowing it was normal w/ greeks at very least but idk
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and remember 'normal' just means there's a 'we won't kill you' place for something, not that that place is good.
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Replying to @vgr
they didnt socially ostracize them or go looking for it either, they just didnt care
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Replying to @turrible_tao
my suspicion is normalization of homosexuality is at least partly cyclic with prosperity, and correlated with eunuch history
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