past was just a bunch of evil animal abusers and we were just unfathomalby evil and only reason we dont eat meat is because of
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Replying to @turrible_tao @vgr
100s of years of brave animal rights activism, when really it was just tech change mostly
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you're arguing very basic tech determinism vs social determinism you realize?
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see this for my synthesis that I think reflects how the chicken-egg evolution actually workshttp://breakingsmart.com/en/season-1/the-principle-of-generative-pluralism/ …
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Replying to @vgr @turrible_tao
tech determinism and social determinism are standard ways of talking about these things... there's Wikipedia entries on them
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I was giving dumbed down example of how general improvement frees up better morality but ppl might confuse causality
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yes, that's tech determinism! Causality often but not always, works that way. Values can evolve first and cause tech evol too
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feminism/suffrage --> women in workforce during WWII --> any innovation they made
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that wasnt values that was necessity, also poor woman have always worked
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necessity that would not have been met that way without slow progress over a century going back to textiles in Lowell
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but that progress was not value progress it was human beings adjusting to need for labor and industrial rev
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