This thing is fuel for gender wars beyond election. No obvious way to demonstrate to women that this is not in fact normal locker room talk.
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Replying to @vgr
Most women don't need someone to explain to them that some guys are jerks. Having men stand up to say "This is gross & wrong" matters.
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Replying to @elisadoucette
I'd like to believe that, but I've heard more than few women say things equivalent to 'male culture in private is all rapey'
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Replying to @vgr
What else are we to believe, when instead of guys standing up to say "Holy shit dude! Not ok." we are told how we should perceive it.
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Replying to @elisadoucette @vgr
I've sat at tables w/guys having painfully similar conversations. Fortunately I have enough good guys around to know that's isolated
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Replying to @elisadoucette
most guys don't talk like that. But most guys also won't challenge it unless it is a sister/wife/mother in question.
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Replying to @vgr
Thus why women believe it. They're hearing the talk and none of the challenge. I'm fiercely angry when I hear guys put in this box.
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Replying to @elisadoucette
since challenges can escalate to physical fights, few would risk it unless there was actually a women at risk right them
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Replying to @wagefreedom
<-- Man I've sat at a table with, who told the guys around him having disgusting conversation to cut the shit. cc
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I said "few" not "none" :)
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Replying to @vgr @wagefreedom
Right. And bc I've seen the "few" (at the table, your tweets tonight) I believe differently than women who never get that.
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Again, why it matters more to take stands on your own principles than try to explain to others how to understand theirs.
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