that's where the categorical diff between theists/atheists lies: how they account for consciousness. "Breath of god" vs "tbd"
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Replying to @micahtredding @vgr
Breath of God isn't defined in the sense you're thinking. These are experiential categories.
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Replying to @micahtredding
I'm talking generally about that kind of allegory. In hinduism it is the primordial sound (nad brahma) for eg
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Replying to @vgr
Haven't read, but sounds beautiful. You take it as a primarily ontological claim?
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Replying to @micahtredding
in general steelman views of religion = best understood as consciousness ontologies. Everything else breaks with skepticism
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Replying to @vgr
This is probably our core disagreement: To me, “soul” is an experiential claim. The experience is what the ancients really *meant*.
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Replying to @micahtredding @vgr
It's only our society that reads “soul” as metaphysics.
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Replying to @micahtredding
depends on whether by soul you mean just subjective consciousness (which I agree is an experiential reality) or more
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Replying to @vgr
I mean subjective consciousness, and I think they did too. As evidence, the Hebrews didn't have a baked-in concept of afterlife.
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In fact, outside of Dennett, I don't know of any major pop thinker who denies that subj consciousness is categorically real
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Replying to @vgr @micahtredding
I quite like Dennett's position, afaik he comes closest to saying consciousness is 'already there' in regular matter.
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