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I tend to feel like "truth" has no intrinsic value, by itself. It's all about the consequences of lying.
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connecting that to the bacteria-field-theory thing, I wonder: what are the absolute simplest systems capable of "lying"?
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test case: simple biomimicry of a poisonous butterfly by a non-poisonous one. Is that lying? Or is intentionality necessary?
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That seems like a linguistic question, whether you equate evolution-selected deception with "lying".
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I think there's a definitional issue: a diff between what you believe and why you assert, and what it means to hold/assert
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How consciousness emerges from the physical reality is a very hard question (although there are smart people thinking about it!)
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yeah, I've followed that lit for a while, and the conclusions I find most compelling conclude it's a property of matter
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But I think that there is no concept of "truth", and therefore no concept of lying, without consciousness.

