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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 20 Aug 2015
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      When people say "emergence" they either believe in magic, or really mean "these complicated equations produce simpler-than-chaos patterns"

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    2. (have-YER! Candeira)‏ @candeira 20 Aug 2015
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      @vgr Or "higher level of abstraction". Chemistry is the emergent properties of physics, biology the emergent properties of chem/phys, etc.

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    3. (have-YER! Candeira)‏ @candeira 20 Aug 2015
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      @vgr Doesn't mean "I don't understand nor do I want to", but rather "99% of the time, lower-level principles not needed to explain this".

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 20 Aug 2015
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      .@candeira That's a much better definition. Emergence as the appearance of a leaky abstraction layer.

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        1. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 20 Aug 2015
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          @vgr @candeira psychology is not applied biology. Biology is not applied chemistry. Chemistry is not applied physics. That's emergence.

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        1. Micah Redding  🤖 🚀 🗽𐃏‏ @micahtredding 20 Aug 2015
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          @vgr @candeira Isn't it also significant that the abstraction layer is not simple/fractal repetition of lower layers? ie, stars != atoms.

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        2. (have-YER! Candeira)‏ @candeira 20 Aug 2015
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          @vgr And also, very important, "emergence" means "not magic woo"! As in "the human psyche is just another emergent property of physics".

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        3. (have-YER! Candeira)‏ @candeira 20 Aug 2015
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          @vgr We may not understand the details how quarks give rise to thoughts, but we know that thoughts are nothing but interactions of quarks.

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        1. vaughn tan — new book on uncertainty now out‏ @vaughn_tan 20 Aug 2015
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          @vgr @candeira is patterning always indicative of an abstraction layer? i can't think of a counterexample.

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