Greg Borenstein@atduskgreg·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @beka_valentine@psygnisfive @vgr And being beginner-hostile by omission is very revealing of the community’s values.3
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @atduskgreg@atduskgreg @psygnisfive Beginner apathy is far more common than beginner hostility. Never actually seen beginner hostility.1
Greg Borenstein@atduskgreg·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr @psygnisfive Do you know @amyhoy’s concept of the Help Vampire? It’s a dynamic that leads to beginner hostility: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/…111
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @atduskgreg@atduskgreg @psygnisfive @amyhoy that sounds like a problem created by beginners though? Not an intentional program of hazing or something?1
Greg Borenstein@atduskgreg·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr @psygnisfive @amyhoy At first. But it kicks off a cycle where in-group members withdraw from beginners and feel hostile towards them.4
Amy Hoy@amyhoy·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @atduskgreg@atduskgreg @vgr @psygnisfive not putting down the un-helpable results in broad hatred of everyone who ever asks for help. bad boundaries.1
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @amyhoy@amyhoy @atduskgreg @psygnisfive or you can just fork into beginner/pro communities.2
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@amyhoy @atduskgreg @psygnisfive once you bring market forces in via paid education, "unhelpable" turns into "you flunked course, have an F"1
Amy Hoy@amyhoy·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr @atduskgreg have you ever tried this with any success? the vampires won't help themselves, that's why they're vampires1
Venkatesh Rao@vgrReplying to @amyhoy@amyhoy @atduskgreg Umm. Isn't that what the entire formal education sector is about? Just needs time for fields to mature.11:53 PM · Mar 29, 2015
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@amyhoy @atduskgreg Simplest example is people telling obvious high-school kids on Quora, "We're not doing your homework for you" etc.
Amy Hoy@amyhoy·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr @atduskgreg why would someone who's so lazy they won't Google pay out money to take a class? did you read my essay?1
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @amyhoy@amyhoy @atduskgreg Yup, read it. My point is, when "take a class" is a socially acceptable response, there's a limit to vampire damage1
Amy Hoy@amyhoy·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr @atduskgreg and i have been doing paid professional classes for 5 years now & can tell you: no class can/will fix these ppl.2
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @amyhoy@amyhoy @atduskgreg YMMV. Taught 5 years in grad school as well, and never had a problem firmly shutting down students who wanted too much
Amy Hoy@amyhoy·Mar 29, 2015Replying to @vgr@vgr so with your "um" start, i'll assume the answer is "No, I haven't"? bc real world exp would break you of that notion /@atduskgreg