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    1. beka valentine‏ @beka_valentine 29 Mar 2015
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      @atduskgreg @vgr its a fine line between beginner-friendly and condescending

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    2. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 29 Mar 2015
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      @psygnisfive @vgr And being beginner-hostile by omission is very revealing of the community’s values.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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      @atduskgreg @psygnisfive Beginner apathy is far more common than beginner hostility. Never actually seen beginner hostility.

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    4. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 29 Mar 2015
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      @vgr @psygnisfive Do you know @amyhoy’s concept of the Help Vampire? It’s a dynamic that leads to beginner hostility: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ …

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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      @atduskgreg @psygnisfive @amyhoy that sounds like a problem created by beginners though? Not an intentional program of hazing or something?

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    6. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 29 Mar 2015
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      @vgr @psygnisfive @amyhoy At first. But it kicks off a cycle where in-group members withdraw from beginners and feel hostile towards them.

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    7. Amy #BlackLivesMatter‏ @amyhoy 29 Mar 2015
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      @atduskgreg @vgr @psygnisfive not putting down the un-helpable results in broad hatred of everyone who ever asks for help. bad boundaries.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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      @amyhoy @atduskgreg @psygnisfive or you can just fork into beginner/pro communities.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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      @amyhoy @atduskgreg @psygnisfive once you bring market forces in via paid education, "unhelpable" turns into "you flunked course, have an F"

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    10. Amy #BlackLivesMatter‏ @amyhoy 29 Mar 2015
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      @vgr @atduskgreg have you ever tried this with any success? the vampires won't help themselves, that's why they're vampires

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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      @amyhoy @atduskgreg Umm. Isn't that what the entire formal education sector is about? Just needs time for fields to mature.

      4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2015
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        1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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          @amyhoy @atduskgreg Simplest example is people telling obvious high-school kids on Quora, "We're not doing your homework for you" etc.

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        1. Amy #BlackLivesMatter‏ @amyhoy 29 Mar 2015
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          @vgr so with your "um" start, i'll assume the answer is "No, I haven't"? bc real world exp would break you of that notion /@atduskgreg

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        2. Amy #BlackLivesMatter‏ @amyhoy 29 Mar 2015
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          @vgr @atduskgreg why would someone who's so lazy they won't Google pay out money to take a class? did you read my essay?

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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          @amyhoy @atduskgreg Yup, read it. My point is, when "take a class" is a socially acceptable response, there's a limit to vampire damage

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        2. Amy #BlackLivesMatter‏ @amyhoy 29 Mar 2015
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          @vgr @atduskgreg and i have been doing paid professional classes for 5 years now & can tell you: no class can/will fix these ppl.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 29 Mar 2015
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          @amyhoy @atduskgreg YMMV. Taught 5 years in grad school as well, and never had a problem firmly shutting down students who wanted too much

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