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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 1 Feb 2015
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    Machine learning people: have there been successful efforts to do automated idiom transation? Like equivalent proverbs in diff langs?

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      2. neil21‏ @neil21 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr Former linguist who dabbled in compling here. Pretty sure nope. Many require explanation even first time for natives.

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      3. Gary Basin‏ @garybasin 1 Feb 2015
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        @neil21 @vgr wonder if you could do phrase analysis with word2vec for this

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      1. neil21‏ @neil21 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr Simple brute plug-in look up tables.

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      2. neil21‏ @neil21 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr Interestingly Ray Jackendoff posited in 90s/00s that idiom-like rote pattern matching/adaptation was the general language mechanism

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      3. neil21‏ @neil21 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr vs Chomsky who since the 50s has pushed Generative Grammar, buildings blocks and local operation, no larger structures except memorised

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        @vgr been some hard work from MSFT NLP groups. Smets et al: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/2546832_Translation_of_Verbal_Idioms …. book reviewed here also worthy http://linguistlist.org/issues/22/22-2758.html …

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      1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 1 Feb 2015
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        .@cigardubey @neil21 Quite a but out there. I have links saved somewhere.

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      1. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr I recall from conversations with NLP people that detecting/classifying idiomatic or metaphoric usage is itself a hard research problem.

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      1. Gordon Mohr ꧁ 👁 👁꧂‏ @gojomo 1 Feb 2015
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        @vgr my hunch: latest deep-NN-machine-translation will soon do. already learns lang-independent sentence vector, then emits in alt langs.

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