Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche.@M_Gauche @pmarca in my exp, happens when critics insist that there *is* only one pov: theirs on behalf of whom presume to speak for.2
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca So your excuse for limiting the playing field on your behalf is to claim that your opposition does it? Pretty convenient.2
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca Core of conflict: SV is *new* pov making room for itself on stage of voices. It will be resented no matter *what* it says11
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca I think people understand the value and importance of tech. I don't think tech understands the value and importance of people.211
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca value and importance are downstream. Conflict is about (mis)-understanding fundamental *nature* of technology/humans1
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca You kind of proved my point. Value is "downstream" for tech. Must ASSUME value for humans from beginning and validate.2
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca Yup, that's precisely what John Henry thought, died for, and is celebrated for. I'd rather be alive than morally "right."11
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca If you're parents didn't assume you had value, why did they feed and educate you? Why build schools, hospitals, etc.1
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca Conflating "value" and "values." This just got too subtle for twitter, so I'll defer to later arguments in other venues1
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca The word that I've used consistently in my tweets is "value" so it seems the error is on your part. But cool, let's move on.1
Venkatesh Rao@vgrReplying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca Only two ways to "value" something: through some system of "values" or economic utility. You've been conflating all along7:31 PM · Jul 7, 2014
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca In other words, survival predates "values." So "value" predates "values." Survival started w/ value, "values" added later.1
Venkatesh Rao@vgr·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @M_Gauche@M_Gauche @pmarca 110% agreed on pure survival as the basis for everything else. Other confusions can rest in peace.1
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca That's a semantic point. The one who is conflating is you.
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca Feel free to explain how making your point about "values" invalidates my original point re: "value."
James King@M_Gauche·Jul 7, 2014Replying to @vgr@vgr @pmarca The human race doesn't survive without investment in the species. "Value" inherent as a survival mechanism.