1/ Widespread attitude: "Good engineers should be seen, not heard." Quite a few clueless engineers seem to actually buy that line.
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6/ Dumb response is to go noble-martyr first and then flip to righteous anger. Juvenile Ayn Rand response that many biz types fall prey to.
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7/ Effective response is to continue talking, but not in zero-sum discourse forms of politics or liberal arts. Talk like *engineers*
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