Conversation

2 fictional examples are Rick on Rick and Morty running a miniature civilization to power his spaceship battery, and Mysterio in spider-man movie creating an elaborate illusion thing to steal Stark's VR glasses from Peter Parker... real-life versions often in politics and sales
1
1
if you do, i'd be curious for longer response to the "elephant in the brain" idea that in order to successfully convince others you first convince yourself. seems like a pattern many founders use, but from other thread sounds like you find it limiting. would love to read more
1
2
didn't get too far with EITB tbf... I like kevin's essays a lot but the book didn't quite hit for me enough to finish convincing yourself to convince others is certainly one pattern... george costanza: "it's not a lie if you believe in it" etc It's just not the only one
1
2
there's a dimension of this you may or may not have noticed... if the leader is *charismatic*, often what they're solving for is validation of megalomaniac self-perceptions, which is not actually the same thing as messianic spiritual direction to followers
1
3
i think the internal experience of successful sociopaths is maybe not "ha ha i see the matrix, scurry around for me" but "wow i'm really special for creating this amazing thing for everyone, what's wrong with getting a little extra for me using ways that only i can see"
1
2
Again, that's *one* possible experience I think one of the mistakes people consistently make in applying GP is to treat "sociopath" as a fixed archetype same as losers and clueless. Sociopath is defined by *absence* of strong or fixed self-perceptions and higher freedom
1
4
Which means, there are many *more* internal experiences than either clueless or losers can access... the path to getting to sociopath is breaking out of molds you previously thought were unchangeable, and discovering just how malleable being is, and how open it is to invention
1
2
internal experience eigenvectors I've kinda cataloged to the extent they can be inferred externally: voidism, sadism, masochism, megalomania, sex/$ maximization, messianic loneliness, loving-kindness, science crackpottery, history-denting, auteur aesthetic fulfilment, eternalism
1
2
but notably, these tend to be held at a distance from being, cf david's kegan level 5 thing... a "I have X" mode rather than "I am X" mode (as in "I have a drive to put a dent in history" rather than "I am a history denter")
1