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There’s a whole A-plot life stage thing here. And there’s the B-plot. Avoid EAVs, no kids even if you get married, often no real jobs ever, rarely sign up for pillar-of-society responsibilities, blurry transition to late middle age. Civilizational B plots ‘r us 😆
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You’d think the checked out, no-skin-in-game NPC inconsequentiality of B-plot people would lead to A-plot people just ignoring them, but damn they don’t leave you alone. The very existence of the B plot and people choosing it is for some reason viewed as a threat by A-plot types.
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This is true even if we lead virtuous lives, and pay our way. I suspect A and B people are assets/burdens to society with about the same distribution mean, but the variance is far higher for A-plotters. They are either great assets or great burdens. Bs are narrow distribution.
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Duuuude… trads are one of the biggest EAVs around!!
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There’s a bit of a horseshoe in that Trads also avoid EAVs — although motivated by different reasons and choosing different alternatives than the B-plotters
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Trad: Married with multiple kids by your mid-20’s, living close to one or both sets of grandparents, seeing work as a means to provide for your family’s needs rather than expecting work to give you wealth, happiness, or meaning. That seems unlike this:
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Emerging-adulthood vortex: Any scene that emerges around anything that allows people 21-35 or so to make their bones in the world…it attracts activity and killer-instinct commitment with a do-or-die level nihilistic desperation, usually with an attached dating/hookup scene 🤔
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That’s the theory. Few execute before 30. It’s mostly blue-collar who actually have kids that young, often out of wedlock or with marriages that unravel by 25. They’re not trads in sense commonly talked about — educated, have their own online scene, take till 30s to settle down.
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That's my reality 🤷‍♂️ A supermajority of my IRL friends & acquaintances are college graduates, upper-middle or middle class, got married and had kids in their 20s, are not divorced. I think we're "Everyone I know voted for McGovern"-ing each other 😅
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I'm not referring to the "retvrn to tradition" online scene, which is mostly LARPers and shitposters
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True. I know many, many trad Catholics IRL who married and started big families in their 20s. Many are on Facebook but very few are Extremely Online. My trad friends are blissfully unaware of the Twitter Discourse. Because they’re busy living their lives.
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Maybe a bit of mcgoverning but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen research showing the stats are in my favor… educated implies late marriage implies more stability, and the pattern is more blue than red. Here’s coverage from 2015. It’s 7y later though.
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