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Own = still stock thinking, the flow equivalent might be “execute” (contracts, instructions, orders) so we get rwx on global computer 🤔 All Unix metaphors then apply. chmod, chown, pipes, redirects
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I’m genuinely surprised by the number of people whose basic posture is “give me one real use case and convince me.” I can understand hostile rejection or just diving in to either explore or grift. But standing around like it’s somebody’s job to win you over? That is odd.
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Kinda ironic that Web3 thing presents as 100% transactional and money driven, and you have to buy in with cash, but it’s nobody’s job to actually sell it to you. Yes, there are self-appointed evangelists and people shilling coins, but this isn’t *actually* a product.
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It’s a cousin of Paul Ford’s “why wasn’t I consulted?” (wwic) phenomenon. “Why wasn’t I marketed to?” (wwmt) Why didn’t somebody carefully analyze your tastes and values and figure out a positioning and value proposition to appeal to you? Why indeed. ftrain.com/wwic
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I suspect this is how people miss booms, waiting to be invited. Same thing happened with PCs, Web1, Web2. This is a crash-only party. Nobody is invited. Everybody is a party crasher. Starting with Satoshi crashing central banker party. Crash in or sit it out. wwmt is silly.
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I think Web3 is waiting for its cgi moment. Web1 went from memoryless to stateful over ~5 years with cookies+cgi. Web3 is coming from the other extreme, from only immutable memory towards stateful.
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@ricmac’s Web History Project is the best thing like this that I am aware of webdevelopmenthistory.com/1993-cgi-scrip
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It’s not just gas fees. The whole persistence model is like eeprom. Write operations are like flashing in embedded programming. Need a throwaway state on top that gives up some trustless verifiability for convenience for the less critical stuff.
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Like if you wanted to use NFTs as tokens in a decentralized wallet-to-wallet game, where do hold game state? In a Web2 style db layer? That seems wrong. But it also seems silly to store game state on chain.
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Okay fine not necessarily state, but *some* controlled transient persistence model that’s decoupled from browser session but is less expensive/permanent than on-chain, while still being Web3 native paradigm-wise.
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State is usually bad. What you really want in most situations are values and references (see infoq.com/presentations/ and infoq.com/presentations/).
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This seems like the beginnings of an answer, though you need opensea to be a TTP temporarily. It’s not quite p2p decentralized state.
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you store it off chain with each user signing, and if match, execute on chain. That's how opensea works under the hood: docs.opensea.io/reference/term
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This keeper model seems more in harmony with Web3 architectural vibes
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need something like keeperDAO: docs.keeperdao.com/reference/#wha @vgr i think you'd like this concept of keepers
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Well, I guess I had to dabble in at least 1 memecoin. Sent 0.042E (about $200 rn) to the project that's trying to buy a copy of the US constitution at auction. tx succeeded and I claimed my tokens, but I don't see tx or message on the juicebox feed yet 🧐
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If it doesn't make it, then instead of getting the stake back, I'd like to see it being used to do something else, like maybe draft a new constitution. There is some really good energy here. And I'm not the only one to gesture at 42 in the contributions, I see a few 42s in there.
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Worthwhile note of caution. In this case, I happen to know a couple of the people driving this, and it's both a fun experiment and driven by the right people for the right reasons, but like all tech, it's definitely a double edged sword.
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The @ConstitutionDAO sets off so many alarm bells I’m afraid I might go deaf. A 🧵/
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I’m hitting pause on more serious experiments for now. Beginning to understand why gas problem is a rate limiter. It’s not just that it cuts into any profits but that it limits who else can participate in anything you do. Might save them for next crash-slump or Solana/polychain.
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I’m sure bitcoin is technically capable of going most places newer chains are, but my skepticism of it is now primarily cultural. Feels like core community has too much gravitas to do anything besides compete with gold and hold the political line re self-custody etc.
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I mean, Bitcoin is fun, too. Lightning, statechains and liquid, stacks (I mean I wouldn’t use it but I’m sure it’s fun). And it’s all super cheap. Plus Bitcoin just got a real upgrade, promise fulfilled (taproot). Create the shelling point if you can’t find it, that’s fun, too.
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So an interesting thing that's happening due to Web3 (though the pattern existed before) is that Twitter is turning into the de facto identity verification service. So you're going to see people tweeting addresses etc. to link twitter accounts, like this.
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The above is me verifying my solana wallet address so people can send me sol using my twitter handle. This sort of use reminds me of the trajectory of email from pure comms to identity verification loops (verify links in email) and in general, media aging from human to bot use
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Over the years, my email address has gone from primarily human "letter writing" to primarily bot-procedural-transactional + newsletters, as actual human comms have increasingly moved to messaging apps. I really only use email in "human" ways for consulting notes now.
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And interestingly it goes back to paper even. When I was a kid, most paper mail we received was... actual letters and postcards. Transactional letters were rare. Now, the only thing I receive besides junk mail is official communications, automatically mailed.
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True of outgoing too. The only paper I ever mail is stuff that requires official signature and they won't take scans or faxes, like government stuff. Increasingly though, digital signing is killing that... but with weird gaps.
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Interesting example: I have to file taxes in India because I have a bank account there, and the filing is electronic, but they have a verification form called ITR-V. Now normally this too can be done electronically via bank account link, but for it doesn't work for non-residents.
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So one of the only paper mailings I do is every damn year I have to send the ITR-V form signed to the Indian IT department :D (only worth it because as a non-resident, I can actually claim back all the auto-deducted tax on interest on the bank account...)
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But it's interesting that one of the things that *doesn't* seem to change from paper to web1 to web2 to web3 is a need for identity verification loops, whether official KYC needs, or soft verification of twitter etc
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A bit off topic, but I thought this note I just posted on the discord might be of more general interest to Web3 crowd re: post-Discord social coordination tooling. Poses a "mangrove" UX problem to create something that's somewhere between a stream and garden UX.
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Funny and potentially worrying thing, the superficially inclusive wagmi sensibility does not extend as far as claimed. Web3 has a very definite outgroup: all of tradfi, including hybrid things like coinbase that are centralized and have one foot in crypto world, one in fiat.
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I got a bit of shit for delegating my ENS votes to Coinbase. It seems to be viewed by hardcore Web3ers as something between disappointing gaucherie to tribal betrayal. If you think that might want to reflect on the fragility of ‘wagmi’.
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The presence of Coinbase (and all of Gen 1 crypto scene founded 2009-14) is healthy, should be welcome, and a real first test of wagmi claims. If you can’t even tolerate an older sibling, you’re ngmi with the other 7.4999 billion people on the planet and wagmi would be hypocrisy.
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Not to mention kinda clueless since so much of Web3 investment is from VC firms that also drove the first generation of innovation.
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This is partly why I’m not using the lingo except occasionally ironically. And limping avoiding even the ironic use. This thing has a shot at being genuinely open and inclusive and it would be a pity if it didn’t live up to that.
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Of course doesn’t mean the ethos shouldn’t be defended against hostile takeovers/co-option by old empires striking back, etc. But there’s ways to do that that don’t devolve into tribalism or insularity.
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Okay this thing is too heavy for my poor old 2015 dual core MBP, and fan came on loudly, so I'm gonna wait for my powerful new 16" MBP with M1Pro to arrive before doing any metaversy shit. Checked it out and created avatar though.
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Parking a thought here, cf my earlier point about deep play and shallow play. An orthogonal axis is high-roller vs. low-roller. Normally, high-rollers are also deep players, but I suspect there's an inversion of sorts going on here. Big spending != deep playing.
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Ideas for nonfungible things are nonfungible. Ripoffs with only cosmetic differentiation are low value.
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Another ape ripoff, this one is a part of ApesOfSpace, 10,000 space monkeys that are now largely worthless opensea.io/collection/ape
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