I think Foundation vs Dune preference is kinda an indicator of low vs high anthropocentrism in tastes. Not tech vs ecology like some are arguing. Both tech and ecology feature strongly in both.
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What makes Foundation great is actually Asimov’s weakness — he was bad at character, good at plot. So he reduced character to marginal status and write Idea Books.
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He reads wooden and dated today. Others did and do almost every technical aspect of science fiction far better these days. Their stuff is also more richly imagined. But Asimov’s Gordian-knot-cutting boldness remains unmatched (a lot of it actually due to John W. Campbell)
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The only newer space opera that’s come close to Foundation for me is Bruce Sterling’s Schismatrix Plus.
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Where I’m coming from… I read space opera primarily for fun allegory, not realism. I find hard sci-if that takes the vastness of space too seriously (galactic empires are basically a ridiculous idea), like Vernor Vinge, less fun. Without hyperspace drives I’m basically out.
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This is one of the biggest draws for me. Everyman competent bureaucrat type unheroes. Not mythologized chosen ones and Kwisatz Haderach crap.
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Dunno if he feels dated today. He actually reads fresh, devoid of cliches and hero’s journey garbage. The procedural nature of Foundation is what makes the passage of time feel interesting. Not the emotional arc of a character.
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Interestingly these things are not absent in Asimov. They’re just relegated to B-plot villain status. There are always minor cults and messiahs in the plots. But robots and regular guys run the show. Paul Attreides would map to the Mule. An annoying statistical anomaly to correct
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Agreed. The redemptive end for the final remnant of Spacer culture on Solaria via Daneel is especially powerful since Spacers in general, and Solaria in particular, are the philosophical villains through almost the whole story. twitter.com/guptanrr/statu
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tldr: watch and read Dune so you can hold up your end of polite conversations with all the basic normies going around congratulating each other for being ‘based’ but save nerd energy for Foundation 😇
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Stupid meme criticism: The point of the normal distribution meme is to claim dumb people do A, most people do B, great people do C - but the claim is about Star wars being for normies, and dune vs. Foundation being a positioning signal for those in the upper tail.
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