the "vertical" cluster sounds like "things that make you emotionally care/be motivated" and the "horizontal" cluster is harder for me to define, maybe "things that are useful for rational decisionmaking"
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I don't get the connection to identity either. I can see the vertical cluster being "you identify as what you value, who your community is, what makes you happy, etc" but the horizontal cluster doesn't really work.
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"you identify with what you trust" maybe, but "you identify with what your freedom is" doesn't make sense, or "you identify with what your rationality is", or "you identify with what your price is". is that just me, do you think you can classify your identity in those terms?
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You're working with a subjective rather than intersubjective constraint on what identity is. Think of identity as the union of key relationships. Then think of the grain of that. For a family/clan context, it's a set of asymmetric relationships like parent/child/grandparent...
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ok, identity as "I am X's parent, Y's child, and Z's grandparent", that makes sense. in the same way you could say "I am a citizen of X country" or "I am a member of Y professional society", I guess. Is that where you're going with the horizontal identity?
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To a first approximation yes. If the set of n closest relationships that define you are all p2p, you're a horizontally integrated person. If they are all asymmetric, you're vertically integrated.
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so like "fellow citizen" or "business partner" or "friend" are symmetric relationships but "parent" is asymmetrical?
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kinda, though of course, there are asymmetries between powerful and weak citizens, or between bosses and employees. This is why, this relational way of thinking about it is a derivative/extrinsic way, and my initial set of 2 attribute lists was more about intrinsic modes
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Like, I think you can be vertical or horizontal all by yourself on a desert island depending on how you behave, integrate your experiences, try to grow, etc. If you prefer, it's almost synonymous with fox/hedgehog. Fox = horizontally integrated personality, hedgehog=vertical.
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Oh so vertical is like “I have A community, A set of values, etc” and horizontal moves between those things based on price, risk, rationality, etc?
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More radical. You don’t need vertical waypoints to make a horizontal trajectory. Nomad caravans are not homes being uprooted and re-founded repeatedly… they have wheels. Renters typically move more frequently but not because they buy/sell houses more often. They lease.
Is your vertical/hedgehog preference really as strong as you’re making it sound? You don’t strike me as that strongly oriented one way or another.
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