People get hung up on definitions and "decentralized" vs "distributed" vs "anarchy" vs "leaderlessness" but I think people know what I mean... it's the sort of attempt that typically fails a la Jo Freeman tyranny of structurelessness or Holacracy.
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It's the P=NP proposition of social science.
The absolute least interesting response is "markets, you invented markets."
Though "blockchains" is arguably worse.
To imagine that's what we're talking about is a kind of perverse obtuseness.
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Equally, to believe that it is impossible because "humans are naturally hierarchical" and derp on about Great Men and natural monarchism is a different kind of perverse obtuseness... in this case with Straussian rather than populist characteristics.
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There are three kinds of failure of imagination around this mystery:
1. Believing this is an ill-posed idea rooted in ressentiment
2. Believing this is "already solved" and corresponds to something familiar.
3. Turning it into a moral question (good/bad rather than true/false)
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As I've grown older, with more power/agency of various sorts, I've gotten more interested in this idea, not less. Leadership typically feels like a burden to those capable of it. Hierarchical effectiveness feels limiting to those good at it. Only those bad at power crave it.
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ie. this isn't (just) ressentiment, though there's some of that. To dismiss yearnings for decentralized leaderlessness as mere ressentiment is to basically fail to grok the idea entirely.
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Similarly, this is NOT already solved, and does NOT correspond to something that already exists like markets, or rule-of-law or "superlinear cities" or whatever.
Though communes and holacracy type attempts seem inept and cringe attempts at it, they're reaching for something real
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And finally, the least imaginative response is to turn it into a normative question. Whether decentralized polities are good or bad is entirely secondary to me.
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The question is whether they are even possible in a meaningful way. As in, examples can be created that persist and function as long as other comparable mechanisms of organization, with comparable levels of non-degenerate output.
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Non-degeneracy is the key criterion for me. It is trivial to produce a "decentralized community" that nominally checks off the feature list, but produces nothing more complex than online conversations. The question is can it do more? Can it wage wars or launch space programs?
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I mean, come on, starlings are stupid swarming little feathered rats, but don’t you think there’s some intriguing possibility here?
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This is an earnestpost thread version of a more satirical take I did back in 2015
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We have a weekly Friday morning chat on these matters that's been going for almost a year at this point. Happens 9 AM Pacific on the discord.
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One of my weird biases is that I think “unnatural” things that actually exist (as opposed to merely being proposed) are more interesting than the underlying “natural” things they rest on. It’s an anti-trad bias.
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I would argue that bigger orgs/cities are socially unnatural but productively superior in some domains, which is why they emerged and stuck, ~10k years ago. So if decentralisation is to be durable it would have comparable productivity at its core. Ie the moon launch example.
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Ie I have an Appeal to Artificiality bias which might admittedly be partly about contrarianism because Appeal to Nature trad fallacies are so popular right now.
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think open source mostly doesn't apply, most of the work is done by a few people.
the people that drive by to contribute often just give the main contributors more work.
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Getting stuff done above the level of the individual requires incentive alignment. These examples are ~spontaneous alignment (so infrequent, random). Hierarchical leadership "forces" alignment to its goals, which usually include self-perpetuation, but also other things.
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Debian, the organization, is a very interesting example as they use technology and cryptography to meditate the social structures




