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Venkatesh Rao
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Conversational account. For work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian. IKEA builder.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Sagar (Writing 1/100) (सागर)

      It’s not intended as bait though I can see why it would seem like it to a certain sensibility.https://twitter.com/sagar__dubey/status/1350539511416164358 …

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      Sagar (Writing 1/100) (सागर) @sagar__dubey
      Mediocre bait https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1350300376205938688 …
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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      I mean something fairly narrow. Just aesthetics as a first-class citizen of cognition (in pathological cases, where it leads to serial killer type behaviors, the *only* first class citizen).

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Aesthetics as a *secondary* concern is basically a default human trait. Anyone who claims to be solving for ugliness is either trolling, perversely arguing for a strawman, or hasn’t figured out dissonance as an ordinary element/knob of aesthetics.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Interestingly artists themselves rarely seem to be primarily concerned with aesthetics, let alone the theory of it, at a conscious level. It’s something that falls out of pursuit of some other prime concern, like an idea, theme, emotion, mood etc.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      This is a tendency connoisseurs, aesthetes, etc (of any kind, whether of apple pies or wine or paintings or comics) are more likely to exhibit than artists. Many turn into critics or ideologues. But you don’t need to cultivate a refined taste, merely prioritize it in life.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      If you’re broaden the definition of “conservative” to anyone invested in traditions with long histories, the claim gets stronger. Eg. the “modern” labor movement is 150 years old. People invested deeply in it tend to be conservative in psychology even if we don’t call them that.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Maybe a less controversial way to say this is people who are primarily concerned with the quality of sensory experiences eventually get invested in some tradition or the other. Tradition becomes their true north in seeking out the quality of sensory experiences they seek.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      With high probability, novelty will disrupt quality expectations of sensory experiences. The new tends to be “not even ugly” (by analogy to “not even wrong”). Novelty is pre-aesthetic. If you’re excited by it, you discard notions of quality and approach it. If not you retreat.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      An ongoing conservative project is to either accommodate novelty in a harmoniously expanded understanding of a tradition-linked aesthetic, OR code it as ugly. Both require understanding the tradition more than the novel thing threatening it.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Conservatives are ofyen more courageous than non-conservatives. But they tend to lack a specific narrow variety: The courage to understand the new in its own terms, and perhaps eventually uncovering a latent aesthetic within it that is at odds with their sense of quality

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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      Non-conservatives don’t have this courage either. The difference is, they tend to have nothing to lose, and nothing to fear from understanding the new on its own terms. So they don’t need courage to do so.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Oskar Kohonen

          Nothing inherently natural about tradition (that’s why there is such a variety) but there IS a link to validated modes of survival. Mimesis is an easy mode of calibrating a sense of quality but it is by no means the only way or the best way. Tinkering is a better way IMO.https://twitter.com/okohonen/status/1350552856819077120 …

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          Oskar Kohonen @okohonen
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          Does that mean: 1) Traditions align with some inherent (biological?) human sense of quality OR 2) People can only calibrate their sense of quality from other people, and then the traditions are the most frequent aesthetic rabbit holes to fall into?
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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          I used to have a conservative streak when younger, in this aesthetics-first sense, but I never did cultivate a detail-oriented sensitivity to any kind of sensory experience. And if you get lazier as you get older, you realize tighter aesthetic standards = more maintenance chores.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          Like say at 20, you and I both like chocolate chip cookies but have only ever had cheap Chips Ahoy commodity cookies. Over 20 years we both sample all kinds, from the finest gourmet ones, to various Grandma recipes etc. How might our cookie sensibilities have diverged by 40?

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          You, the aesthetics-first person, will likely have developed a deep distaste for Chips Ahoy grade “bad” cookies. You have your fine recipes, and favorite gourmet brand. Me, despite being exposed to better cookies and developed some discernment, am still fine eating Chips Ahoy.

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          There’s learning to tell things apart, and learning to *care* about the differences. The non-aesthetics-first person can learn to tell and even perhaps appreciate differences to a degree. But they stop short of learning to care. Cookies are not aesthetics-first for philistines.

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        7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          If you cannot learn distinctions without *necessarily* going on to care about differences, you’ll tend conservative, and start to censor out novelty where caring might be painful. Be causing learning to care is developing a pain sensitivity in order to live more exquisitely.

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        8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          I suspect our notional cookie aesthete will experience near-physical pain if forced to eat an ordinary cookie. The non-aesthete might prefer a good cookie, but will not find it painful to eat an ordinary one.

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        9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          I’m literally this way about cookies while my wife is a cookie conservative. She’ll experiment and fuss and go through agonies about them not coming out right. I’ll happily eat pretty much all her experiment outputs, whether failures or successes. I’m a Cookie Monster.

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        10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          Right now, I’m working my way through a batch of Ted Lasso cookies, which she attempted to replicate after we both thought they looked good on the show. I think they came out great. She’s not happy with them and is now making a more reliable one she knows she likes.

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        11. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          Cookies for me are not primarily about optimally embodying the essence of cookie aesthetics. They are primarily a functional sugar hit to go with coffee. Anything above a fairly low satisficing baseline will do. I can never be a cookie conservative.

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        12. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          The tldr of this thread so far is that I eat garbage cookies and do not live exquisitely. This is not where I expected this thread to land.

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        13. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          This is the future true liberals wantpic.twitter.com/1YjbLaXIhr

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        14. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          This is my garbage cookie manifesto.

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        15. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 16
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          The universe is like chips ahoy cookies. Kinda dry and with an industrial terroir, but available everywhere, reliably mediocre, and consistently past the bare-minimum viable cookie threshold. When we colonize exoplanets, we will make such cookies across the galaxy.

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