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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 5
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      There is something exhausting/deadening about Robert McKee’s storytelling material. It discourages rather than encourages me. He clearly knows his stuff, and it’s all solidly thought through, but I can’t shake the sense that he’s missing the essence of what stories are to me.

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      One sign is that I have near zero attraction towards 90% of the stories he cites as exemplars, and there’s very low overlap between what he likes/recommends and what I consume. Both screen and page. Not sure what to make of this.

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      I’ve only watched 11 of the 33 movies he cites a lot in Story (which I read long ago), and none of them is anywhere near my favorites list. https://mrm.ua/uploads/assets/files/RobertMcKeeMovies_en.pdf …

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      By contrast, I really enjoyed Steve Kaplan’s comedy book, and took his seminar (never took McKee’s much more famous one, though I might try to post-Covid) and more importantly his core example, Groundhog Day, is one of my favorites too.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 5
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      His new book Dialogue was better for me than Story. Got a lot more out of it and took extensive notes. Still, it was a slog. He’s apparently working in a third book on character.

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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Shlok Vaidya

      Yes, I definitely liked Saved by the Cat. I have Vogler’s book, but didn’t get into it (I like the idea of Hero’s Journey sub field of narrative theory, but not the practice of it).https://twitter.com/shloky/status/1346601951933427712 …

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      Shlok Vaidya @shloky
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      More of a Save the Cat kinda listicles guy? Maybe a Christopher Vogler mythological approach resonates more? (I k-holed on this a few years ago and came away with no point of view other than names to drop)
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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 5
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          I have a shelf full of books on storytelling, and I tend to use them more as a reference source for my thinking/writing about temporality than my own fiction attempts. So I guess I have a double-dip interest in the topic.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 5
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          What I’d really like in terms of learning fiction writing? Make a list of my own top 50 books/movies/tv shows, then get a teacher who also likes them. But it’s rare for scholars of story to share my tastes. It’s more likely they’d want to murder me for liking the wrong things.

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          Lol adaptation is one of my favorite movies but 8ve only watched it once and missed the connection in the McKee-satire scenes (I think I didn’t know who McKee was when I watched the movie)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGaRKNY1Efk …

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          As I think I’ve mentioned before Keith Johnstone/Impro is much easier for me to vibe with, but it is unfortunately a much less complete model of storytelling.

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 5
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          McKee also reminds me of the fictional J. Evans Pritchard whose intro to a book on poetry Robin Williams’ character has his students rip out. That’s probably too harsh a comparison. I’m inclined to be generous re: McKee. I assume there’s more there than I’m able to get out of it.

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