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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      But back to selectorate creation theory, the vast gulf between “nonfiction” and “fiction” in this general sense is a big deal. It’s the essence of: analysis vs synthesis, or destruction vs creation, or maps vs territory. Nonfiction = analysis = destruction = maps.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      I’ve mostly been on the analysis/destruction/maps side as both an engineer (math/models over making) and writer (nonfiction over fiction). Now in midlife, I feel myself changing gears on both sides. And the biggest challenge is just the excruciating slowness of creation.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      It’s not so much that it’s harder or different. It’s the same kind of thinking. It’s that everything takes 100-1000x longer because there’s a 100-1000x more interchangeable detail to lock down. And if you don’t make an active effort to make it interesting, it’s boring by default.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      Sometimes a creative Aha! leads to a network effect in your head and vast trees of detail bind themselves down with low marginal effort, but that is draining and exhausting. There’s no way around the fundamentally higher work needed (time*power-output).

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      Simple example: my @threadapalooza thread this year is to do 99 jokes/micro-stories based on specific prompt words from people. It’s not *hard* per se, it’s just very slow going. An equivalent quality nonfiction thread would take me ~1h. This will take me weeks to finish.https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1339039499066609665 …

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      1/ Ok let’s do this @threadapalooza thing My topic: jokes and microfictions I’ll do it as a semantic variant of a 1-like-1-tweet ratchet. Reply to this tweet with a single prompt WORD, and I’ll try to QT with EITHER a joke using it, OR a 1-tweet microfiction about it. Limit 99.
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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      In each joke/story, coming up with the gag or idea takes 1% of the time. Binding it with the right kind of opinionated detail is the slow part. The more you’re a naturally abstract/analytical thinker, the more it will feel like brute force search rather than blithe inspiration.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      When you read purely manually written fiction or review fully human generated design, you can tell which details the author/designer just chose arbitrarily vs deliberately. The proportion is much higher in genre fiction and generic engineering.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      When you read literary fiction or review the design of extreme engineering, like the Mars rover, you are struck by how much more of it is consciously chosen or painstakingly optimized. The reason is trying to pack a lot more reality into fewer words/atoms.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      This is not “realism.” It’s not that Ulysses is more “realistic” than say a pulp western or that the Mars rover is more “real” than a cheap Kia. It’s that there’s a lot more at stake, lot less room for error, and far higher cost of evolutionary learning through trial and error.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      Most fiction and design have a ton of slack because there is design room you can waste. Lots of variables can be indifferently phoned in. But extremes have less slack. If something isn’t essential or influential, but merely interchangeable, it’s a sign there’s slack to eliminate.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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      Humans are the bottleneck in authorship btw. Designs and fictions are limited in complexity by how much detail individual human brains can be opinionated about. As a result, when you throw machine learning at human design domains weird things can happen.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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          Check out the Autodesk gallery in SF if you get a chance. All sorts of weird ML-generated designs no human would ever think of. Because ML procedural generation can handle vastly more detail.https://www.autodesk.com/gallery/exhibits …

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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          Many engineered artifacts are already featuring a high percentage of machine-generated design content. Mostly in hidden parts we can’t see, otherwise we’d be creeped out by the clearly alien aesthetics at work. This isn’t AGI btw, nor a portent of it. This is narrow, closed AI.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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          Fiction is going to be harder than engineering, but ultimately it’s the same sort of problem — working in bigger design spaces and binding a greater proportion of interchangeable detail in opinionated, influential ways, that go beyond nominal function and feel more like home.

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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          In a way, this is the purpose of all synthesis, construction, creation etc. To make ourselves more at home in the universe rather than understanding it. Turning abundance into serendipity, and the apathy of the universe into serendipity. Immanetize the eschaton etc.

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 30 Dec 2020
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          I think this is fundamentally the appeal of fiction of the sort represented by Iain M. Banks Culture novels. They are about presenting a vision of a benevolent domestic cozy universe, engineered for human delight. The fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism is a side effect.

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          Related threadhttps://twitter.com/vgr/status/1331673021367480320 …

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          Plot and character are in some ways the commodity elements of fiction, and how-to books spend 90% of their words on those. But good genre fiction usually seems to center a non-basic element: LOTR: fake languages Culture: names of ships Star Trek: species This seems important.
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