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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Nov 28
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    How come fiction writers are a lot more interested in and invested in "getting published" while nonfiction writers are generally just happy writing wherever 🤔 Nonfiction writing advice is all like "how to write well" while fiction writing advice is all "how to get published"

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      2. Death will not release you‏ @7leaguebootdisk Nov 28
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        Non fiction has little hope of making money at it?

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Nov 28
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        the median nonfiction writer will make more money than the median fiction writer, but the best-selling fiction writer will blow the best-selling non-fiction writer out of the water

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      1. David Mattin‏ @DMattin Nov 28
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        Fiction writers are more invested in a self-image as 'writer', and seek validation of that via the publishing industry. Non-fiction writers typically don't, I think, have a primary self-image that is 'writer'. They're invested in themselves as a domain expert above all.

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      1. Amanda Myre‏ @Amanda_Myre Nov 28
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        What is this tweet based on? I feel like I've seen more than a few "How to make money with writing" blog posts that are focused on non-fiction writing.

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      2. Amalgamated Tsundoku Psychohazard‏ @enkiv2 Nov 28
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        Because a lot of nonfiction writing is now online (where, outside of the romance genre, fiction isn't very lucrative) & the crass money-making writing advice is therefore not aimed at print (or overcoming gatekeeping) but at maximizing income to effort ratio.

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      3. Amalgamated Tsundoku Psychohazard‏ @enkiv2 Nov 28
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        Evidence: look at the "writing advice" tag on medium, where every article is geared toward teaching readers to write articles on medium about teaching readers to write articles on medium about [ad infinitum].

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      2. Danger & Cuddlekins‏ @Chiliandgarlic Nov 28
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        My guess would be that nonfic is writing about what they're making a living from in some capacity, while fiction is trying to make a living off of it

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      3. Danger & Cuddlekins‏ @Chiliandgarlic Nov 28
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        I'll also add that serious fiction writers I've met don't take kindly to "how to write" advice, but really have no clue about publishing

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      2. King‏ @mattgoldenberg Nov 28
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        Probably just who you're following. Equal amounts of both types of advice for fiction and non-fiction (but then again, that could just be who I'm following).

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      3. Josh Smith ('Smithy')‏ @joseschmitty Nov 28
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        There's probably a little more to it. Writing nonfiction is essentially just conveying accumulated information in your own voice. Fiction writing is a story, and takes a subjective reader with an emotional connection to "behold" it.

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