Ever get into "cybernetics proper"?
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Replying to @KeenDisregard
Briefly, then decided it was mostly Wiener’s delusions of grandeur picked up by people who he could easily bullshit, adding very little to the basic engineering subject. Did have a paper in IEEE systems, cybernetics, and man journal though :)
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Replying to @vgr
I dug the abstract
do you really find it remains mostly delusions of grandeur? I wonder how Project Cybersyn turned out in some parallel universe, for example. Suppose I'm not clear on distinctions between the subjects.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @KeenDisregard
Control theory is bread-and-butter engineering routinely used in everything from thermostats to autopilots to missile guidance. Dates to 1930s. Wiener made a few key early contributions in the 1940s and then forked off into a cult of personality pseudoscience ama cybernetics.
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Replying to @vgr
ah, so the taxonomy is wonky. is it right to say that most stuff now called cybernetics would be better called under the control theory heading?
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Replying to @KeenDisregard @vgr
Not that I'm qualified to judge it in a scholarly fashion, but I've found Stafford Beer's book Designing Freedom to be a pretty compelling address of multi-scale requisite variety problems. I've understood him as a self-professed cyberneticist, informing my ~sense of the term
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Replying to @KeenDisregard
Yeah he’s one of the principals. It was really never more than a track of famous conferences and a few political enthusiasts. To get a sense of control theory browse the ToC of this standard undergrad text.https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Control-Engineering-Katsuhiko-Ogata/dp/0136156738 …
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Replying to @vgr
thank you
one last thing if you don't mind furthering the disillusionment (which I appreciate)
does this 'syntegration' process strike you as highfalutin magical thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upusHbZO4w …
(I'm reminded of "if you're the smartest one in the room, wrong room")2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @KeenDisregard @vgr
I mean… I find stuff like this fascinating, but my everyday grist is mundane business logic and I can't say I've devoted much methodical study to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_regulator … http://ashby.de/Ethical%20Regulators.pdf …
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Replying to @KeenDisregard
That’s a good example to see the differences. In control theory the statement is called the internal model principle and is used in actual design. Like to design a system that rejects a sinusoid disturbance you’d put an oscillator in. The cybernetics version is more a zen koan.
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I just remembered I wrote a thing about it so I don’t have to rehash my critique
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2019/07/17/weirding-diary-9/ …
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Replying to @vgr
Evan Driscoll Retweeted Brian Roemmele
thanks. would making a prolific GPT-3 powered human-machine media qualify as think entangled act spooky? makes me think of this McLuhan bithttps://twitter.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1324192391473975297?s=20 …
Evan Driscoll added,
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