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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Jeremy Howard

      This looks like a basic hit job on Jeremy 🧐https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1321626078985687042 …

      Venkatesh Rao added,

      Jeremy Howard @jeremyphoward
      NumFOCUS found I violated their Code of Conduct (CoC) at JupyterCon because my talk was not “kind”, because I said @joelgrus was “wrong”. This sets a bad precedent. Joel was not involved in NumFOCUS’s action, was not told about it, and did not support it https://www.fast.ai/2020/10/28/code-of-conduct/ …
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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted NumFOCUS

      Looks like they walked it back as a procedural error, but the damage is done. Personally, I am onboard with the *objectives* of CoCs, but skeptical of them as a *mechanism*. They’re just too vulnerable to abuse and incompetence (latter appears to be the case here)https://twitter.com/NumFOCUS/status/1322250131480170497 …

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      NumFOCUS @NumFOCUS
      Public Apology to Jeremy Howard: https://numfocus.org/blog/jeremy-howard-apology …
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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      People should use words like “incompetence” or “apathy” or “we’re stupid” in apologies like this. If you deny malice, you must accept stupidity. Otherwise it’s a get-out-of-jail-free card for unaccountable bureaucrats who were just spectators of miraculous errors without errants.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      Hanlon’s apology: either admit malice, or admit stupidity, or leave.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      This is one of the secondary reasons I suggested winding down refactor camp in 2019 if we couldn’t find a way to decentralize/virtualize it for bureaucratic abuse resistance (weirdly Covid-friendly call as well).

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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      While we had no problems in the years we ran it, the creeping expectations of CoC burdens etc made it increasingly taxing to run. I’m glad we quit on a high note without any serious issues in the 7-year run. It likely won’t be resurrected (though not for this reason).

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          In the @yak_collective experiment we’re trying to make decentralized structure and 1:1 trust do almost all the heavy lift work of ensuring a safe environment. There are no CoC compliance bureaucrat roles. The CoC is mostly “don’t make us make a rule for this.”

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          2x2: attacker org vs target org. Both ranging from centralized to decentralized. I think right-wing malice manifests like nerve gas in the subway (centralized attack on decentralized target), while wokewashed malice is more like a nuclear attack. Centralized on centralized.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          Decentralized on decentralized is stochastic terrorism and decentralized on centralized is basic guerrilla warfare. Both have social attack analogs.

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          Malicious abuse is unfortunately more common these days in CoC type situations than stupidity. So we invert Hanlon’s razor these days and assume malice until incompetence is proven. Abuse cases seem to exceed use cases of dealing with legit complaints.

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          An unaccountable, central bureaucracy with fiat power over an opaque procedural domain that is existentially critical to the org... yeah it’s a recipe for adverse selection of autocrats. Never yet met someone who was eager to “serve” on such bodies who wasn’t also eager to rule.

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        7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          Well-intentioned person: “We need a Code of Conduct...” Wannabe dictator: “I... can... have... authoritah?”pic.twitter.com/fGsKKek9ia

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        8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 30
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          Problem is, a CoC is in no man’s land. Somewhere between a random busybody opinion written up into rules and a heavyweight constitution developed with a lot of expensive and time-consuming deliberation and a system of courts and a tradition of jurisprudence to steward it.

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