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Conversational account. For work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian. IKEA builder.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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      Defining the idea of a “hobby” is surprisingly hard For example you might think low risk is part of it but many hobbies are high risk, like sailing. More so than dangerous professions. Or low impact. Many of the biggest inventions came from hobbyist tinkering.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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      The best I have so far is: an activity pursued with surplus time and resources, inoculated from considerations of practical returns.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Ritwik Priya

          A lot of hobbyists spend ruinous amounts on hobbies, to the detriment of arguably more important things like say health or marriage or kids’ needs. So I don’t know if ex-ante low-stakes is correct. 🤔https://twitter.com/ritwik_priya/status/1319053634437525505 …

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          Ritwik Priya @ritwik_priya
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          ex-ante low stakes, reward wise.
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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Joel D  🕯 🦴

          You also do other things in your leisure time, such as spend time with friends/family, watch movies, work on startups, take vacations... so leisure is necessary but not sufficient.https://twitter.com/joeld/status/1319054461764075522 …

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          Joel D  🕯 🦴 @joeld
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          I always thought the distinction was just that it’s something you do in your leisure time.
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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted mtobi

          Hmm. This is an intriguing line of thought and I think on to something. Though hobbyist communities can have status contests too, they are easily avoided. You generally don’t need a community to pursue most hobbies.https://twitter.com/mt0bi/status/1319054607067303947 …

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          mtobi @mt0bi
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          First snap thought is hobbies don't seem to affect your social status. They aren't risky in a way that success/failure isn't tied to others perception of you.
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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Joel D  🕯 🦴

          Ok yeah, skill or knowledge seems necessary. So take 2: activity pursued with surplus time and resources, without regard to material reward or social status, and involving developing a skill or gaining knowledge.https://twitter.com/joeld/status/1319056324139880449 …

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          Joel D  🕯 🦴 @joeld
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          There must also be a skill- or knowledge- (or asset- in the case of collectors, maybe) gaining component
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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 21
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          There’s also an element of contentment andcrelaxation. The opposite of existential angst or neurotic striving.

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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Ego♡shiner

          Hmm. Some truth to this though I think historically they were unironically called hobbies. This is a zizekian definition a la cynicism as a form of ideology. It’s only a hobby if pursued with some ironic distance from the unironic base concept.https://twitter.com/egoshiner/status/1319064814044459017 …

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          Ego♡shiner @egoshiner
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          This is because nobody ever goes into a "hobby" labeling it as such, it's a label applied purely from an outsider perspective. For the practitioner himself its usually more like an vortex that just pulled you in.
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        8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 26
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          Some shit shouldn’t be considered hobbies: reading, listening to music, traveling, video games, cooking, playing most sports. Consumption isn’t a hobby. They’re non-hobby leisure pastimes. Once it’s too common it’s no longer a hobby.

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        1. Mick Jagger of Funds‏ @jiBlloh Oct 21
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          Very much at the other side of waged labor.

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        1. visa is working on his ebook‏ @visakanv Oct 21
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          I think of my hobbies as “how I have fun”, tho maybe with the additional nuance of “in a persistent way” (as opposed to random acts of pleasure/gratification)

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        1. Karen Karenina‏ @culteyes Oct 21
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          “Pay to play.”

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